How do you become a pastor?

[Kansasdad]

Very good, more examples where the Bible shows us that the pastors of the church from its beginning were taught by the Apostles. Further these men then taught others, and so on. The pastors of the church were never just anyone who claimed to have inspiration or knowledge. They were appointed and taught by the church fathers before them. We see the Apostles laying on of hands to appoint such men. Can your pastor trace his/her teaching back to the Apostles. Is there any other formula prescribed by the Bible. All other methods are traditions of men.

thats why Im a believer of seminary schools.

Paul was trying to organize, preach, and teach the good news.

He did this without a bible, on foot under a time constraint.

If he would of lived another 200 years he may be would of opened one.... 3xR0c|<stAr

How does an institution become a seminary school. Who are the teachers. Would not those same teachers also need to be able to trace their teaching back to the Apostles. Who taught the teachers?

If the seminary school does not have its roots in the progression described from the Bible would this not be a tradition established by man?

I think it would be important to know a little about the seminary. What is its history?

[exrockstar]

Very good, more examples where the Bible shows us that the pastors of the church from its beginning were taught by the Apostles. Further these men then taught others, and so on. The pastors of the church were never just anyone who claimed to have inspiration or knowledge. They were appointed and taught by the church fathers before them. We see the Apostles laying on of hands to appoint such men. Can your pastor trace his/her teaching back to the Apostles. Is there any other formula prescribed by the Bible. All other methods are traditions of men.

thats why Im a believer of seminary schools.

Paul was trying to organize, preach, and teach the good news.

He did this without a bible, on foot under a time constraint.

If he would of lived another 200 years he may be would of opened one.... 3xR0c|<stAr

How does an institution become a seminary school. Who are the teachers. Would not those same teachers also need to be able to trace their teaching back to the Apostles. Who taught the teachers?

If the seminary school does not have its roots in the progression described from the Bible would this not be a tradition established by man?

I think it would be important to know a little about the seminary. What is its history?

good gseminary schools do have a history.

Paul was basically a teacher making house calls.

Do you think all the churches he established were perfect? no.

we have an advantage to something that they didnt have back in the first couple of

centuries...that is something called a bible. the down side to that is that many dont read it but piece it apart.

im guilty of that but i know when to say something and when to not.

the disciplne is to not say something youre not sure of.

trying to find roots of who taught who is obsolete. a thing called religion tainted that. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Edited April 11, 2007 by exrockstar

[Kansasdad]

Very good, more examples where the Bible shows us that the pastors of the church from its beginning were taught by the Apostles. Further these men then taught others, and so on. The pastors of the church were never just anyone who claimed to have inspiration or knowledge. They were appointed and taught by the church fathers before them. We see the Apostles laying on of hands to appoint such men. Can your pastor trace his/her teaching back to the Apostles. Is there any other formula prescribed by the Bible. All other methods are traditions of men.

thats why Im a believer of seminary schools.

Paul was trying to organize, preach, and teach the good news.

He did this without a bible, on foot under a time constraint.

If he would of lived another 200 years he may be would of opened one.... 3xR0c|<stAr

How does an institution become a seminary school. Who are the teachers. Would not those same teachers also need to be able to trace their teaching back to the Apostles. Who taught the teachers?

If the seminary school does not have its roots in the progression described from the Bible would this not be a tradition established by man?

I think it would be important to know a little about the seminary. What is its history?

good gseminary schools do have a history.

Paul was basically a teacher making house calls.

Do you think all the churches he established were perfect? no.

we have an advantage to something that they didnt have back in the first couple of

centuries...that is something called a bible. the down side to that is that many dont read it but piece it apart.

im guilty of that but i know when to say something and when to not.

the disciplne is to not say something youre not sure of.

trying to find roots of who taught who is obsolete. a thing called religion tainted that. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

When did the Bible make this obsolete? I do not see where scripture tells us that Gods plan for establishing his pastors changed. You asked if the churches Paul established were perfect, no they were humans. But the Bible does tell us that they will be guided by the Holy Spirit. But if a church has not followed this prescribed method of establishing its pastors does it still have this promise? You have offered some opinion but lets see how our opinion stack up to what scripture tells us. Just having a history does not mean that history followed scripture. Again scripture tells us in several places that the pastors of the church will be taught and "ordained" through a succession of teachers all the way back to the Apostles. Anything outside of this is following a tradition (teaching) of man, not the tradition (teaching) of God.

God Bless,

Kansas Dad

[EricH]

Very good, more examples where the Bible shows us that the pastors of the church from its beginning were taught by the Apostles. Further these men then taught others, and so on. The pastors of the church were never just anyone who claimed to have inspiration or knowledge. They were appointed and taught by the church fathers before them. We see the Apostles laying on of hands to appoint such men. Can your pastor trace his/her teaching back to the Apostles. Is there any other formula prescribed by the Bible. All other methods are traditions of men.

thats why Im a believer of seminary schools.

Paul was trying to organize, preach, and teach the good news.

He did this without a bible, on foot under a time constraint.

If he would of lived another 200 years he may be would of opened one.... 3xR0c|<stAr

How does an institution become a seminary school. Who are the teachers. Would not those same teachers also need to be able to trace their teaching back to the Apostles. Who taught the teachers?

If the seminary school does not have its roots in the progression described from the Bible would this not be a tradition established by man?

I think it would be important to know a little about the seminary. What is its history?

good gseminary schools do have a history.

Paul was basically a teacher making house calls.

Do you think all the churches he established were perfect? no.

we have an advantage to something that they didnt have back in the first couple of

centuries...that is something called a bible. the down side to that is that many dont read it but piece it apart.

im guilty of that but i know when to say something and when to not.

the disciplne is to not say something youre not sure of.

trying to find roots of who taught who is obsolete. a thing called religion tainted that. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

When did the Bible make this obsolete? I do not see where scripture tells us that Gods plan for establishing his pastors changed. You asked if the churches Paul established were perfect, no they were humans. But the Bible does tell us that they will be guided by the Holy Spirit. But if a church has not followed this prescribed method of establishing its pastors does it still have this promise? You have offered some opinion but lets see how our opinion stack up to what scripture tells us. Just having a history does not mean that history followed scripture. Again scripture tells us in several places that the pastors of the church will be taught and "ordained" through a succession of teachers all the way back to the Apostles. Anything outside of this is following a tradition (teaching) of man, not the tradition (teaching) of God.

God Bless,

Kansas Dad

Actually you have not demonstrated where it is prescribed that leaders need to be able to trace their roots back to the apostles. All you have done is shown that in the book of Acts all the leaders that were selected could do so. We have one instance (the replacement of Judas) where that was a requirement, but we see no place where that was prescribed for selecting leadership in general.

The only places in the NT that actually prescribe (command) the selection of leadership are in the epistles. None of those lists of requirements for selecting leaders lists a chain to the apostles as a requirement. All of the listed requirements discuss character traits and skills, but none prescribe an historical chain.

Acts is descriptive, not prescriptive. The epistles are prescriptive. When developing doctrine from history, one must be cautious that it was actually intended to be prescriptive for all ages. In order to do that, one must find commands in hortatory sections of scripture that validate the action that was described in history. That is why no church uses lots (like in the selection of Judas' replacement), to select leaders.

[exrockstar]

When did the Bible make this obsolete? I do not see where scripture tells us that Gods plan for establishing his pastors changed. You asked if the churches Paul established were perfect, no they were humans. But the Bible does tell us that they will be guided by the Holy Spirit. But if a church has not followed this prescribed method of establishing its pastors does it still have this promise? You have offered some opinion but lets see how our opinion stack up to what scripture tells us. Just having a history does not mean that history followed scripture. Again scripture tells us in several places that the pastors of the church will be taught and "ordained" through a succession of teachers all the way back to the Apostles. Anything outside of this is following a tradition (teaching) of man, not the tradition (teaching) of God.

God Bless,

Kansas Dad

you want to see documents on paper that trace back on "who taught who" tracing back to the Apostles?

you want to see the "laying of hands" documented to do what? make you feel that you are assured salvation and kept all traditions?

I dont get it. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

you have scripture in the palm of your hands and youre asking for "who taught who?' (But then again

that is a bad thing because people think that makes them an expert).

Edited April 11, 2007 by exrockstar

[EricH]

Very good, more examples where the Bible shows us that the pastors of the church from its beginning were taught by the Apostles. Further these men then taught others, and so on. The pastors of the church were never just anyone who claimed to have inspiration or knowledge. They were appointed and taught by the church fathers before them. We see the Apostles laying on of hands to appoint such men. Can your pastor trace his/her teaching back to the Apostles. Is there any other formula prescribed by the Bible. All other methods are traditions of men.

thats why Im a believer of seminary schools.

Paul was trying to organize, preach, and teach the good news.

He did this without a bible, on foot under a time constraint.

If he would of lived another 200 years he may be would of opened one.... 3xR0c|<stAr

How does an institution become a seminary school. Who are the teachers. Would not those same teachers also need to be able to trace their teaching back to the Apostles. Who taught the teachers?

If the seminary school does not have its roots in the progression described from the Bible would this not be a tradition established by man?

I think it would be important to know a little about the seminary. What is its history?

No, the teachers would need to be able to demonstrate that they know the word of God which was handed down to us thru the Apostles directly from God himself

[Kansasdad]

Very good, more examples where the Bible shows us that the pastors of the church from its beginning were taught by the Apostles. Further these men then taught others, and so on. The pastors of the church were never just anyone who claimed to have inspiration or knowledge. They were appointed and taught by the church fathers before them. We see the Apostles laying on of hands to appoint such men. Can your pastor trace his/her teaching back to the Apostles. Is there any other formula prescribed by the Bible. All other methods are traditions of men.

thats why Im a believer of seminary schools.

Paul was trying to organize, preach, and teach the good news.

He did this without a bible, on foot under a time constraint.

If he would of lived another 200 years he may be would of opened one.... 3xR0c|<stAr

How does an institution become a seminary school. Who are the teachers. Would not those same teachers also need to be able to trace their teaching back to the Apostles. Who taught the teachers?

If the seminary school does not have its roots in the progression described from the Bible would this not be a tradition established by man?

I think it would be important to know a little about the seminary. What is its history?

No, the teachers would need to be able to demonstrate that they know the word of God which was handed down to us thru the Apostles directly from God himself

Show me scripture that tells us this or demonstrates this..Otherwise it is just your opinion, and a tradition created by man. I would rather follow a tradition started by the Apostles who were indwelled by the Holy Spirit. You can follow whatever example you want, I will choose to follow the example given to us by the Apostles through scripture.

God Bless,

K.D.

[Kansasdad]

When did the Bible make this obsolete? I do not see where scripture tells us that Gods plan for establishing his pastors changed. You asked if the churches Paul established were perfect, no they were humans. But the Bible does tell us that they will be guided by the Holy Spirit. But if a church has not followed this prescribed method of establishing its pastors does it still have this promise? You have offered some opinion but lets see how our opinion stack up to what scripture tells us. Just having a history does not mean that history followed scripture. Again scripture tells us in several places that the pastors of the church will be taught and "ordained" through a succession of teachers all the way back to the Apostles. Anything outside of this is following a tradition (teaching) of man, not the tradition (teaching) of God.

God Bless,

Kansas Dad

you want to see documents on paper that trace back on "who taught who" tracing back to the Apostles?

you want to see the "laying of hands" documented to do what? make you feel that you are assured salvation and kept all traditions?

K.D.--> I never said that or implied that. This was how the Apostles did it. It is the example they gave us. Who's example are you going to follow. One created by men or one given to us from the Bible?

I dont get it. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

you have scripture in the palm of your hands and youre asking for "who taught who?' (But then again

that is a bad thing because people think that makes them an expert).

The question is how do you become a pastor. All I have done is given you scripture examples of how the Apostles did it from scripture. I would assume that if this is how the Apostles, who are being led by the Holy Spirit, tell us it is done, and no where in scripture does it tell us that this has changed, then doing anything different would not come from God.

[exrockstar]

Show me scripture that tells us this or demonstrates this..Otherwise it is just your opinion, and a tradition created by man. I would rather follow a tradition started by the Apostles who were indwelled by the Holy Spirit. You can follow whatever example you want, I will choose to follow the example given to us by the Apostles through scripture.

God Bless,

K.D.

I don't get this: either you have a time machine that youre going to go back and get taught by Apostles

or you're in a religion that has a perfect history without a blemish on its 2000 year track record. Which perfect institution may

that be? ... 3xR0c|<stAr

[CaritateDei]

Show me scripture that tells us this or demonstrates this..Otherwise it is just your opinion, and a tradition created by man. I would rather follow a tradition started by the Apostles who were indwelled by the Holy Spirit. You can follow whatever example you want, I will choose to follow the example given to us by the Apostles through scripture.

God Bless,

K.D.

I don't get this: either you have a time machine that youre going to go back and get taught by Apostles

or you're in a religion that has a perfect history without a blemish on its 2000 year track record. Which perfect institution may

that be? ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Well...even the Apostles had their flaws. They were not impeccable. When led by the Spirit and fully following the spirit, then what is done is without blemish.

When it is human, then it will have some blemishes on the track record.

The perfect institution to which I believe Kansasdad is referring would be the Christian Church that Christ Himself started. If you would like to call it an institution, then so be it.