Noah, Utnapishtim, and the Flood

[apothanein kerdos]

Sorry, there!

I think the poster, AndrewA, was meaning to imagine the earth as flat, having no mountains or ocean basins...flat topography.

Flat like a billiard ball, not flat like a table top.

So the flood covered the whole earth, or just the middle east?

Water causes erosions...not mountains. I just thought I would point that out. So where did the mountain that the ark rested on come from?

Water does cause erosion, but it wouldn't be enough to wipe out mountains. Thus, when the ark rested on the mountains (possibly in Eastern or Southern Turkey) it would have been entirely plausible.

As for a world-wide flood...looking at the style it was written in, and why it was written, I just can't be convinced it was world-wide.

[Floatingaxe]

A property of a liquid is that it seeks its own level. If water flooded the land to the point of covering mountains, you can be sure that the water was NOT only in the middle east. It would cover everything on the globe.

[AndrewA]

Sorry, there!

I think the poster, AndrewA, was meaning to imagine the earth as flat, having no mountains or ocean basins...flat topography.

Flat like a billiard ball, not flat like a table top.

So the flood covered the whole earth, or just the middle east?

Water causes erosions...not mountains. I just thought I would point that out. So where did the mountain that the ark rested on come from?

Yes round like a ball, Iam no saying the earth was completly flat, but a young earth at time of Noah may not have had its mountains as tall as they are today, this is just an example to show you how much water is actully contained on the face of this planet. one and a half miles deep that is deep.

There is a Historian called Graham Hancock who is not a Christian.. He claims he has proof and evidence that a civilization flourished across the whole of the earth that disappeared without a trace and erased from memory long before the cultures of historical antiquity rose to prominence. People laughed at him and he is mocked by most of the establishment for going against the accepted model of history, however the Bible supports his theory with Noah and the global flood.

We know that the earths plates move, this movement will throw up mountains and cause large cracks and trenches in the earth to open up. Fossil records show that mountains were at some point in their life underwater, it is naturally assumed that these mountains were one time under water, weather the mountains were at their current height or made up part of sea bed only to be pushed up over billions of years, however it did not take billions of years for mountains to grow, anyway who

[None]

A property of a liquid is that it seeks its own level. If water flooded the land to the point of covering mountains, you can be sure that the water was NOT only in the middle east. It would cover everything on the globe.

[apothanein kerdos]

A property of a liquid is that it seeks its own level. If water flooded the land to the point of covering mountains, you can be sure that the water was NOT only in the middle east. It would cover everything on the globe.

Then what about the Tsunami of 2005? Though it did not cover mountains it did cover small hills and go inland...yet it did not flood the entire earth.

A mountain in the middle east, at its peak, may only be 2,000 feet above sea level. Other parts of the world, even plains, are 3,000 feet above sea level. Certain portions of the Middle East could easily act as a bowl.

[Floatingaxe]

Many spots on earth are bowl-like. If the water could cover Ararat, it could cover North America, minus some of the Rockies.

The tsunami is another thing, don't you think? It is a pile of water that has been displaced, and causes a wave of water, not superfluous water that has never been before.

[apothanein kerdos]

Many spots on earth are bowl-like. If the water could cover Ararat, it could cover North America, minus some of the Rockies.

The tsunami is another thing, don't you think? It is a pile of water that has been displaced, and causes a wave of water, not superfluous water that has never been before.

Not at all. There have been multiple floods in this world that have covered higher areas but have not caused any problems worldwide. Likewise, you're assuming it's the same Mt. Arat.

[Guest]

After this.....

But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.

And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

John 20:11-17

Why would you quibble over this?

I believe the the waters covered the whole earth as the Word says. Why choose to believe otherwise?

Dear CaritateDei

It appears to me you are very proud of your disbelief that God is capable of breaking up the deep.

You seem to happily assert God could not even create mountains while He flooded the earth.

And despite the testimony in The Bible and the collaborating evidence of the geologic record, you joyfully do not believe God flooded the whole earth.

Also you gleefully seen to deny a rational intelligent person could believe God did what He stated He did.

You even seen to delightfully voice doubts in The Biblical account of creation.

Which begs these questions I have of you.

CaritateDei, do you believe in the bodily Resurrection of The Lord Jesus?

If you do dear CaritateDei, upon what do you base your believe in the actual bodily Resurrection?

Do you think The Lord Jesus Christ was really bodily Ascened up into Heaven and now bodily sits at The Right Hand of His Father?

Upon what do you base your Christian faith?

What does your mind tell you The Holy Bible really is?

CaritateDei, who is This Jesus you worship and do you call Him Lord?

Love, Joe

[CaritateDei]

After this.....

But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.

And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

John 20:11-17

Why would you quibble over this?

I believe the the waters covered the whole earth as the Word says. Why choose to believe otherwise?

Dear CaritateDei

It appears to me you are very proud of your disbelief that God is capable of breaking up the deep.

You seem to happily assert God could not even create mountains while He flooded the earth.

And despite the testimony in The Bible and the collaborating evidence of the geologic record, you joyfully do not believe God flooded the whole earth.

Also you gleefully seen to deny a rational intelligent person could believe God did what He stated He did.

You even seen to delightfully voice doubts in The Biblical account of creation.

Which begs these questions I have of you.

CaritateDei, do you believe in the bodily Resurrection of The Lord Jesus?

If you do dear CaritateDei, upon what do you base your believe in the actual bodily Resurrection?

Do you think The Lord Jesus Christ was really bodily Ascened up into Heaven and now bodily sits at The Right Hand of His Father?

Upon what do you base your Christian faith?

What does your mind tell you The Holy Bible really is?

CaritateDei, who is This Jesus you worship and do you call Him Lord?

Love, Joe

It not only appears to me that you assume too much, FresnoJoe, but I am absolutely certain that you do so. I believe that God is VERY capable of doing all of these things.

I am merely, again, asking questions about the bible and hyperbole. Unless you are a geologist who was there, you are not sure exactly how the flood happened...none of us can be. At the same time, we cannot say the Bible is errant on matters of faith. Historically, Scientifically...could it maybe be a little hyperbolic?

Again, I am asking. You condemn me and say that I do not believe in God. I could condemn you saying you do not believe in man and the knowledge man has. I will not do that, because nothing you have said has made me draw that conclusion (except maybe that the earth was once flat).

I am not drawing conclusions, nor am I being condescending. You repeatedly seem condescending to me. Is this how Christians evangelize? They answer questions with "Well, the Bible said so, and if you don't believe it then forget you?!" That seems like a religious way of saying "shut up," or two other words that me and the moderators like a little less.

[Floatingaxe]

Many spots on earth are bowl-like. If the water could cover Ararat, it could cover North America, minus some of the Rockies.

The tsunami is another thing, don't you think? It is a pile of water that has been displaced, and causes a wave of water, not superfluous water that has never been before.

Not at all. There have been multiple floods in this world that have covered higher areas but have not caused any problems worldwide. Likewise, you're assuming it's the same Mt. Arat.

Don't forget that we now have all the water we are going to get. In Noah's time it had never rained before, and the underground springs broke loose, so the world was being fed all new volumes of water. It sought its level, and filled the basins and valleys, and then were formed vast seas and with continental drift we see oceans forming.