John 15...the grapes

[WayneB]

Yes I did some internet searching...just like you searched by reading books by christians in your searches...Saved by Grace.

I never said that other's written or spoken essays weren't worth the study. I will read yours completely and study it [although I have already discovered one flaw in its logic as I pointed out on an earlier post]. Regardless, if you read my analysis in the original thread you would have noticed that what actually opened my eyes to the Truth was reading positions of those who SUPPORT your position (Bruce Wilkerson, Charles Stanley and Charles Swindoll). The problem is that those positions showed great flaws and don't hold water. My position is based on my own study of John 15 with the guidance of the Spirit as I believe...not other's interpretations for me.

I think you die-hard "freely walk from Grace" believers who really study this will have to come to a decision ...either quit debating the issue...or receive the truth.

As I stated on the original thread, my intent was not to be devisive but to facilitate a "thought-provoking" discussion. I think we had that and I appreciate that. But to imply that if we debate the issue we are walking in darkness is a bit antagonizing, isn't brother? I, as you, have studied it and my opinion is based on my experience and my understanding. Why is this so important? Because many of our brothers and sisters in Christ are not receiving their full source of Living Water and the Bread of Life due to the disease and pestilence (sin) that they have allowed to enter into their branch and if they don't turn from their ways and turn to the vine (Jesus), they will evetually wither and die. That is what anguishes me! Not whether I am right or wrong. ...and this includes me! We all need to realize that we have an obligation to God to live according to His will and plan for us.

We choose to see it differently. You have characterized us who believe in conditional security negatively as "die-hard 'freely walk from Grace' believers", which is inappropriate but OK if it's all you got left. You think we are not secure in our salvation. You are wrong. I have Enternal Security in Christ Jesus.

Regardless brother, I appreciate your fellowship and prayer. You know, Paul and Barnabas didn't always see eye to eye and had to go their separate ways. Regardless, they were both powerful witnesses for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

God Bless you all,

Wayne