Salvation question

[graymousey]

Is it possible to be saved without Baptism? Is Baptism necessary for salvation?

Thanks for the replies.

[exrockstar]

Is it possible to be saved without Baptism? Is Baptism necessary for salvation?

Thanks for the replies.

you can be saved without a water baptism.

Baptism is not necessary for salvation.

but if you get water baptized make sure you find

out what it means that Christ died on the cross for you. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

[rtwo]

Question 1: yes.

Question 2: no.

Baptism is a command, but like communion, for example, it is not necessary for salvation itself. However, obedience, ultimately, is a part of it. If you die before you are baptised, but have accepted the gift of Christ's forgiveness, you still were saved. However, if you're thinking of skipping it, remember that it is also your duty to obey Christ. Jesus said, "if you love me, you'll do as I say". By willfully ignoring a command, you aren't honoring Christ; you aren't loving Him; and you don't truly have faith. Faith is action. Get saved; get baptised. It's a dip in water that tells God and every witness that you willingly put yourself in God's hands, and that you are an obedient servant of His.

[exrockstar]

"By willfully ignoring a command, you aren't honoring Christ; you aren't loving Him; and you don't truly have faith."

by everything you just said then i think you meant:

Question 1: yes

Question 2: yes ... 3xR0c|<stAr

[rtwo]

"By willfully ignoring a command, you aren't honoring Christ; you aren't loving Him; and you don't truly have faith."

by everything you just said then i think you meant:

Question 1: yes

Question 2: yes ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Not really. The act of baptism in and of itself is not a means of salvation; but proof of it. I'd also point out that though good works aren't a requisite of salvation, and certainly not required, these are also commands of Christ. One couldn't accuse me of being into "works-based" salvation - it's simply that to be saved, you commit yourself to following Christ, and following Christ means obedience.

[JB Horn]

"By willfully ignoring a command, you aren't honoring Christ; you aren't loving Him; and you don't truly have faith."

by everything you just said then i think you meant:

Question 1: yes

Question 2: yes ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Not really. The act of baptism in and of itself is not a means of salvation; but proof of it. I'd also point out that though good works aren't a requisite of salvation, and certainly not required, these are also commands of Christ. One couldn't accuse me of being into "works-based" salvation - it's simply that to be saved, you commit yourself to following Christ, and following Christ means obedience.

You forgot to add foot washing to those commands.

If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

[exrockstar]

Luke 18

19And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

20Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

21And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

22Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

sounds like if we broke one commandment we don't like Christ according to rtwo.

Plus if we don't sell everything and distribute it to the poor then I guess

we aren't following that commandment and dont love Christ. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

[rtwo]

Luke 18

19And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

20Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

21And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

22Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

sounds like if we broke one commandment we don't like Christ according to rtwo.

Plus if we don't sell everything and distribute it to the poor then I guess

we aren't following that commandment and dont love Christ. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

"If you love me, you'll do what I say." I didn't say it; Jesus did. You have a problem with it, take it up with Him. However, just so we're clear, I'm not saying if we commit one act of sin we're going to hell. Kindly don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying that Christianity is a religion of obedience; if you don't like it join the New Age movement. We know that Jesus wants us to be baptised. It's scriptural that He does. Not to do so is willful disobedience. I'm not saying a single sin will send you to hell, I'm just pointing out what Christ asks of us.

I'm a little disturbed, frankly, that you seem to have such a problem with my bringing this up.

[graymousey]

Thanks for your replies. But I still have some questions:

"you can be saved without a water baptism.."

But to best of my knowledge forgiveness of sins and the Holy Spirit are given to one when he is baptised. How can one be saved without that? Please prove your point by Scripture.

"The act of baptism in and of itself is not a means of salvation; but proof of it."

Could you please elaborate on this, proving your point by Scriptures? I ask this because I don't know any Scripture that would prove this idea.

"However, obedience, ultimately, is a part of it. "

Where does the Bible say that Baptism is only a step of obedience?

horizoneast, so your answer is that Baptism is necessary for salvation?

[exrockstar]

Thanks for your replies. But I still have some questions:

"you can be saved without a water baptism.."

But to best of my knowledge forgiveness of sins and the Holy Spirit are given to one when he is baptised. How can one be saved without that? Please prove your point by Scripture.

"The act of baptism in and of itself is not a means of salvation; but proof of it."

Could you please elaborate on this, proving your point by Scriptures? I ask this because I don't know any Scripture that would prove this idea.

"However, obedience, ultimately, is a part of it. "

Where does the Bible say that Baptism is only a step of obedience?

horizoneast, so your answer is that Baptism is necessary for salvation?

gray to be honest with you, it is best you make time to read the New Testament.

you will have people on both sides claiming what is right.

to come to a forum and ask then your going to get both answers. ... 3xR0c|<stAr