Axxman Posted July 17, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2007 Yes He offended the religious crowd because He went in with the sinners and the publicains and sat down and fellowshipped and ate with them how offensive, how dare this Man be caught with such ungodly and filthy people cried the church, read the Word it has recorded Him as doing such and the reaction as so. Jesus didn't go with the sinners...He brought them to Him. Jesus didn't hang out in Brothels to save prostitutes...He called them out of their sinful lifestyle. Jesus isn't recorded as going into bars, or dens of sin...he called people out of their sinful ways to follow His way. Sinners followed Him, and he never turned them away...but it is a far cry to say Jesus would go into a porn convention and hang out amongst all the debauchery. There is no scriptural support for that. The Kingdom of God is associated with all sin because it is where we all come from and where we all should be reaching out too, to help another just like us to by the Power and Grace of God to come out of! Change itself can be and usually is offensive to someone! Doug-E The Kingdom of God is associated with the abscence of sin. There is simply no biblical support for what you two guys are saying. The men of xxxchurch are not changing the status-quo...they are embracing a sinful industry and trying to shape it to meet their own needs. This is almost the exact opposite of what Jesus did. Jesus didn't go to the pharisees and use their religious ideals to win souls...Jesus called them OUT of their sinful places. Jesus didn't go to the prostitute and say "I love Prostitutes, and I am going to use a bunch of sex industry tools to reach people where they are struggling." Jesus said, "Repent, and believe in the Gospel." Jesus said, "Follow me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzaguy Posted July 17, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 232 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2007 The men of xxxchurch are not changing the status-quo...they are embracing a sinful industry and trying to shape it to meet their own needs. Now THAT is nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted July 17, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2007 The men of xxxchurch are not changing the status-quo...they are embracing a sinful industry and trying to shape it to meet their own needs. Now THAT is nonsense. AMEN oc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted July 17, 2007 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,796 Content Per Day: 6.20 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 17, 2007 A link that got deleted was from their website and it showed a cartoon male genitalia named wally. That is highly offensive and not at all what Jesus would ever have done. That is stooping to their level, not calling them out of sin. There is no way to whitewash it and make that right. Showing a cartoon male genitalia is just wrong period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
None Posted July 17, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,513 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1908 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Jesus didn't go with the sinners...He brought them to Him. Jesus didn't hang out in Brothels to save prostitutes...He called them out of their sinful lifestyle. Jesus isn't recorded as going into bars, or dens of sin...he called people out of their sinful ways to follow His way. Sinners followed Him, and he never turned them away...but it is a far cry to say Jesus would go into a porn convention and hang out amongst all the debauchery. There is no scriptural support for that. Jesus ATE with "sinners." that would be the same thing in that day as going to a porn convention. Jesus went to sinners wherever they were. he didn't care what people thought. did Jesus go to a brothel? the bible doesn't say he did, but it doesn't say he didn't. the bible doesn't say what he did 24/7 for 33 years. YOU DON'T KNOW he wouldn't go there. or are you the one that's God's counsel? The people around Him knew. Why do you think the centurion didn't want Jesus to enter his house? He felt he and his household were unworthy of Jesus' presence. Was what was under this man's roof worse than something you'd find in a "brothal"? Why was he so worried about what Jesus might see there? Jesus did know what was there but He also knew the centurion(his men, actually) would meet Him before entering in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted July 18, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 18, 2007 Jesus ATE with "sinners." that would be the same thing in that day as going to a porn convention. Jesus went to sinners whereever they were. he didn't care what people thought. did Jesus go to a brothel? the bible doesn't say he did, but it doesn't say he didn't. the bible doesn't say what he did 24/7 for 33 years. YOU DON'T KNOW he wouldn't go there. or are you the one that's God's councel? I eat with sinners...you eat with sinners..we all know and see sinners everyday cuz WE are sinners. Does that mean we go to strip clubs with sinners? Do we 'hang out' at Slayer concerts? DO we involve ourselves in a sinful lifestyle? DO you seriously believe Jesus did? The bible is clear on this: Heb 7:26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; Jesus Christ is the High Priest who avoided putting himself in disrepute. 1 Cor 8:10 For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugmando Posted July 19, 2007 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 114 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/12/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/06/1961 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) Look Guys, I am not trying to whitewash or make something that is despicable acceptable simple fact is this xxxchurch has an program you can download on to your computer and any time you go to or use a search engine for sites that are pornographic in nature it will send 3 people an e-mail notifying them you are looking at something you should not be looking at as a way of accountability Because that is the key to men and women who have problems with this stuff...accountability. Because we prove who we really are when no one is looking, this goes for all manner of things. Do I toss the empty cup out as I speed down the road, or pick up extra pens and carry them home from work, do I give a full 8 hours work etc,etc on and on..... For Christians who battle this if they are sincere and truly want to quit sinning and get victory they must choose to do the right thing, stop looking at stuff you should not look at !, these guys at xxxchurch have these tools and others available for you to utilize and they are a ministry not for everyone but for a specialized group of people. If it offends you it ought too, that is to know that you have Christian brothers and sisters that are living far below their Inheritence rolling around in the hog trough of scum and filth all because it's so easy to just click, click, click away! I know the message is seemingly off track as far as traditional ministry goes but your not dealing with traditional stuff here. Unique warfare does take a unique battle plan, I know what has already been said about fighting dressed like the enemy yada yada yada, you can say that because you have never had to face this demon. Let me tell you many years ago I faced this problem didn't think it was a problem because I was in my teens, life rocked on soon met a wonderful loving beautiful young lady feel in love got married problem for the most part went away but was still there, got saved in 1992 and praise God for that, completely lost all desire to do these things because of Him and His Saving Grace. God blessed my wife and me with 2 beautiful children an older daugther and younger son, 16 years later still no problems with pornography, 6 years into ministry as visitation and associate Pastor at my Church. One day I get on-line and just by chance happen to check my history see a website I am unfamiliar with, ask my wife Honey you been on-line? No why well there's this web site somebody has been looking at and I'm not sure what it is, well click on it and bam right there on my computer was ungodly images that nobody needs to look at, all because my 16 year old son had a buudy who told him about something cool to look at. Now that may not seem like much but all of a sudden off and on for the last 18 months I had to refight a battle that God gave me victory over 25 years ago. Only and only by God's Delivering Power am I okay today, who as a Minister could I go talk to about this...? Uh nobody, hey you're supposed to be above these things, prayed up and called out, but still yet I am tempted everyday, but yet everyday by the Grace of God I refuse to allow this into my life! xxxchurch is offensive yes sir it is but if by chance it causes one person to change and refuse to allow this mess into their life then Praise God for them. Please I am not trying to argue the point, Jesus did in his days go in to and among sinners, he ate with them and fellowshipped with them when no other religious leaders did, He was scorned and mocked because of where he went, a harlot named Mary Magadelene washed His Feet with her hair and tears remember and her own family told Jesus why if you knew who was touching you, you would not let her touch you. Yes it is offensive but tell me how many of you are willing to let a brother or sister bare their soul to you and then not turn right around and judge them because of their weakness, well from my personal experience not many. The first time someone, anyone breathes a word to someone else about their difficulties they are having instead of praying and helping they are sharing and telling everybody in the congregation. About poor ol brother Doug's failures. Doug-E Edited July 19, 2007 by dugmando Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted July 19, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2007 Hey Doug... Not gonna comment on your story too much except to say that I'm glad things worked out for you. What I want to comment on is your version of scripture. As I have repeatedly said...Jesus did NOT go into sinful places to reach the lost. Jesus called them to him. The one story that people keep referring to is when Jesus went to Matthew's house to eat and a group of lost people (sinners) were there eating with him. Jesus was called out for eating with them. The sinners FOLLOWED Jesus to that location and he used the opportunity to preach to them. Jesus did NOT go to their sinful places. They followed him and he did not deny them access to the gospel. How did Jesus arrive at Matthew's (the tax collector) house? Jesus called Matthew to follow Him and the bible says that "He arose and followed Him." Then they went to Matthew's home. When the harlot washed the feet of Christ...he didn't go to her brothel...she came to Him. Jesus told people to follow him...and he didn't turn anyone away when they made that choice. When people chose not to follow him (the rich man)...he didn't follow them and try to convince them. There is ZERO scriptural evidence that we are to do that, and as of yet, nobody has provided any. 1 Cor 15:33 "Do not be misled: 'Bad company corrupts good character.' " 1 Cor 5:9 "I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people - 2 Cor 6:17-WHEREFORE COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM, AND BE YE SEPARATE, SAITH THE LORD. I could go on, but we all know that the bible is FULL of references telling us to be seperate from the world. Jesus was seperate from the world and did not 'hang out' and 'fellowship' with the lost. He called them out of their sinful lifestyles and they followed Him because of His ministry and His teachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugmando Posted July 20, 2007 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 114 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/12/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/06/1961 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Axxman, I do agree Jesus didn't go to a brothel and such, my point is merely this Jesus did come from Heaven to a sin filled dying filthy world to reach out to whom... sinful people. Who are we to judge where Jesus went while He was here He went to Gadara a graveyard to heal and save a wretched demon possesed man, He went to where the sick and lepresy filleed people where all to heal them too. Did He go to a brothel? The Bible doesn't record any such incident please don't get hung up on an comparative illustration true point is Jesus went where He was most needed, not to the religious crowd but to those who were sick and in need of a physican, yes He did call them and us to Him, but simple truth is ministry requires a getting up from where you are and going to where they are, Ministry isn't just setting in our nice cozy pleasant house's of God and waiting for a Harvest. But what did Jesus say go to the hedges and the highways and compel them to come in. Again I do not need xxxchurch but just by the chance someone anyone comes across them and their life changes because of them hey man I don't have a problem with them I just thank God they are willing to do this kind of work that the majority of churches have not one tidbit of desire to do even thoguh it is most needed. Rest assure there are many brothers and sisters who suffer with this mess, and let me say this xxxchurch may not do it the way I would do it but hey am I willing to step up as they have..uh no too many crictic's and naysayer's let me stick to the regular straight plain jane everyday sinners...hope you realize that is sarcasm brother. Peacefully respect your opinion Doug-E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted July 20, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2007 Hey Doug-E...I figure this is a good place for me to step away from this convo since we've both said our piece. I don't necessarily disagree with your overall point...and I don't disagree with the ministry of the xxxchurch. The hard part about this convo for me is that I loathe the idea that people think I am against these guys. I am not. I just don't like some of their imagery and tactics. I don't believe Jesus would have (or needed to) resort to a lowest common denominator to reach people. Peace Bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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