Do you have personal Christian Friends who are Gay?

[patricia1]

I have been aquainted wirh every type of sinner you can name but I have never been friends with them, not since I became committed to the Lord. Read 2COR.6:14-18. Paul makes it fairly clear how we should seperate ourselves from known unsaved.

Sure we can witness to them, but should have nothing to do with them socially.

We are in this world but not partakers of this world. I have friends of all kinds who are not saved as well as family. No matter what sin they are into Jesus still Loves them and we are representatives of Him...Our heavenly Father. The only way to do that is to let God arise through the power of the Holy Spirit from within us and let our flesh be suject to the Holy Spirit.

If a active practicing nonchristian is a visitor of the church there is no better place for him to be. If a christian practicing homosexuality i believe it should be determined if he is wrestling with that sin and needs prayer. When I got saved not all my sins were under control. Washed away yes but some keep falling back into the same sin. If a nonscriptural lifestyle practice is be preached by the sinner as a lifestyle that Jesus will tolerate I believe thier is your leaven. I have never wanted a gay lifestyle...although it runs in my family and am comfortable around all kinds of peopl. Yet I can tell them wht they do i believe is sin.. some people i lost, and some remained friend. Friends tell the truth. I have seen many Saved.

A question for you? I took a second job as a BARTENDER in what i will call a place that was the dregs of the earth. The owners needed someone they good trust. They knew me as a christian. Only my two christian friend kept me in daily prayer and the nonchristian checked in on me all the time. I knew Jesus needed be there.God gave me favor in the sight of drug dealers to the point where they dealt outside the bar...the prostitutes would come in to discuss their lives with me, most had been abused. Old Christian timers who fell away from that bar were there... A man I loved.. The Lords Love....would come and see me every nite.. finally I said to him we need to pray.. you are no longer will be here..He nodded his head and we prayed. He went to his doctor that week a died two weeks later of throat cancer. Three prostitutes are off the streets. One drug dealer quit. Later that bar burned down after the job was done. Another bar i frequented is now a church. Both of these places were where no one would go.

[Guest Biblicist]

I have one friend who is gay.

But he is currently pretty neutral about faith. We grew up together and he told me he was gay when he was in his late 20's. That was over ten years ago. We were in the same Christian youth group as teenagers; we went to the same church, made some of the same mistakes etc.

I do stick by him, but right now the issue of our faith just bores him, I am not bringing it up in a direct way except by just normal conversations about our lives and what we are doing.

Frankly his life is very depressing to me. He has had a numerous men, he knows very few gay men who are monogamous or even recognize monogamy the way I understand it. He still does the gay bar scene. It is like he is perpetually 19, when you are forty that is just a sad case, gay or straight.

But he is a funny guy and we have a total history together and I don't give up friends regardless of what they do.

Your friend sounds very unhappy Smalclad. I will pray for him if you like.

[eric]

patricia1, I wont wrap your last post in quotes, but I will reply understandingly.

I was in the liquor trade for fifteen years on and off. I have rubbed shoulders,(figeratively) with every type of person on the earth by serving in both country bars as well as city bars. As customers I have had to serve some of the lowest life that ever crawled in under the door.

To me they were customers and I was just as polite and civil to everyone......that was my vocation. That was what I was paid to do. It didn't worry me because I was unsaved myself then and that was over twenty years ago.

Would I go back to that again?...No I would not. The bible says we are to preach the gospel to the lost. He didn't say you are to get all palsywalsy with them. I spent two years in a prison ministry where I went into the local jail, twice a week for best part of two years and I used to meet these inmates and preach the gospel of the Lord on their own level, but althogh I knew their circumstances and prayed with them and if they repented or showed any signs of repenting, I would help them in their rehabilitation, and that's as far as I would go.

I belonnged to PARS, prisoners aid and rehabilitation society. and worked through the direction of my local paster, but my relationship with these people ended there at the prison door. From there hopefully, the holy spirit would take over. We are not called to save the world only to put them on the right path.

I like for eveyone to know where I am at Patricia, and we are all different, and as an aside I would befriend a truly repentant ex h/s. or any repentant sinner.

[patricia1]

patricia1, I wont wrap your last post in quotes, but I will reply understandingly.

I was in the liquor trade for fifteen years on and off. I have rubbed shoulders,(figeratively) with every type of person on the earth by serving in both country bars as well as city bars. As customers I have had to serve some of the lowest life that ever crawled in under the door.

To me they were customers and I was just as polite and civil to everyone......that was my vocation. That was what I was paid to do. It didn't worry me because I was unsaved myself then and that was over twenty years ago.

Would I go back to that again?...No I would not. The bible says we are to preach the gospel to the lost. He didn't say you are to get all palsywalsy with them. I spent two years in a prison ministry where I went into the local jail, twice a week for best part of two years and I used to meet these inmates and preach the gospel of the Lord on their own level, but althogh I knew their circumstances and prayed with them and if they repented or showed any signs of repenting, I would help them in their rehabilitation, and that's as far as I would go.

I belonnged to PARS, prisoners aid and rehabilitation society. and worked through the direction of my local paster, but my relationship with these people ended there at the prison door. From there hopefully, the holy spirit would take over. We are not called to save the world only to put them on the right path.

I like for eveyone to know where I am at Patricia, and we are all different, and as an aside I would befriend a truly repentant ex h/s. or any repentant sinner.

i do not understand what wrapping in quote means. But I do agree some cannot do that and not called. I do what The Spirit of The Lord tells me to. The only reason I mentioned that is our prejudices and bias get

to some us and we can miss appointments. Coming from a alcoholic family and seeing pain, being drowned by alcohol hurts me. I was not there for the business. I would not serve my customers after they had enough. I was a tiny 99lb petite woman and able to earn respect. I was never taunted about knowing Jesus. They would ask what Jesus told me that mornind.. To me...although many will say it is different, Thereis no difference for me to be handing out loads of pain medications to people in a hospital setting for their pain. And half of them were addicted. Why some woman kept calling me for painmed. I would go in, she would be asleep with her hand out and I was a fast nurse. She was pretty upset when I told the doctor I will not give a sleeping woman pain medication and she slept well. They discharged her I had a man who after alcohol was not doing the trick he threw himself in front of a car...just for pain injections, and the he was suicidal so he could get all kinds of help. One of my close friends who is gay now has been saved 15 yrs. I knew hwer way back when. You go to the jails. Some are to sow tthe seed, some water the seed, some feed the seed some prune the seed and some harvest the seed. Some people have to be sitting still in jail to hear the gospel. There is no argument here from me....

[eric]

Thank you for getting back to me, patricia, I can see where you are coming from. Some people have a different style of approach than others, but as long as the message is getting out, that's the main thing.

Btw, wrapping in quotes is when you either hit the quote button at the end of the post, or highlighting the part of the post you want to repeat click your right mouse and click copy and in your post of reply hit the quote in the tool bar and then right right mouse and click on to paste.

Eww I think you better get someone else to explain than I can.

blessings

eric.

[MeCajunboy]

I have been aquainted wirh every type of sinner you can name but I have never been friends with them, not since I became committed to the Lord. Read 2COR.6:14-18. Paul makes it fairly clear how we should seperate ourselves from known unsaved.

Sure we can witness to them, but should have nothing to do with them socially.

We are in this world but not partakers of this world. I have friends of all kinds who are not saved as well as family. No matter what sin they are into Jesus still Loves them and we are representatives of Him...Our heavenly Father. The only way to do that is to let God arise through the power of the Holy Spirit from within us and let our flesh be suject to the Holy Spirit.

If a active practicing nonchristian is a visitor of the church there is no better place for him to be. If a christian practicing homosexuality i believe it should be determined if he is wrestling with that sin and needs prayer. When I got saved not all my sins were under control. Washed away yes but some keep falling back into the same sin. If a nonscriptural lifestyle practice is be preached by the sinner as a lifestyle that Jesus will tolerate I believe thier is your leaven. I have never wanted a gay lifestyle...although it runs in my family and am comfortable around all kinds of peopl. Yet I can tell them wht they do i believe is sin.. some people i lost, and some remained friend. Friends tell the truth. I have seen many Saved.

A question for you? I took a second job as a BARTENDER in what i will call a place that was the dregs of the earth. The owners needed someone they good trust. They knew me as a christian. Only my two christian friend kept me in daily prayer and the nonchristian checked in on me all the time. I knew Jesus needed be there.God gave me favor in the sight of drug dealers to the point where they dealt outside the bar...the prostitutes would come in to discuss their lives with me, most had been abused. Old Christian timers who fell away from that bar were there... A man I loved.. The Lords Love....would come and see me every nite.. finally I said to him we need to pray.. you are no longer will be here..He nodded his head and we prayed. He went to his doctor that week a died two weeks later of throat cancer. Three prostitutes are off the streets. One drug dealer quit. Later that bar burned down after the job was done. Another bar i frequented is now a church. Both of these places were where no one would go.

Hi Patricia, If you tell me that God directed you to a bar to work to help those find God, I can only trust your words. If you tell me you were looking for work and while you worked in the bar you managed to save some souls, I would say that you already know in your heart that God would not want you to work in a job capacity that encouraged alcoholism. So, I guess what I'm trying to convey to you is , "Only YOU know what's in your own heart. But the scripture and verse I quoted according to my reading warns not to befriend those who dwell in sin , in particular sexual sins because man's flesh is weak and the temptation is very strong. And we are not to give the impression that we would support any other Christian's sin. God knows we have enough burden carrying our own. I totally respect what you did for your friends as you have hinted that you were directed there. I just don't want us to give anyone the impression that we are to encourage anyone to befriend someone who lives in sin, that might become entrapped in the same way...Satan's binds are strong!

Blessings

Cajunboy

[MeCajunboy]

cajun, what makes a person a christian?

does it have anything to do with repentance?

Cajunboy::::Ma'am, the easiest way for me to relate to the first question is to say, "One who strives to be Like Christ." and YES! It has everything to do with repentance. But , I'm concerned about the one who "refuses" to repent. For those, I would not recommend one not stay in a friendship relationship too very long, unless you truly feel you can do some good and eventually turn that person over to Christ. Statistics are not very good for "Christian" recovery for the "gay" person. Most go back and forth in their relationship. the one thing I tell the ones that I have worked with is, "take confidence that one day you will be very old and perhaps without a partner and then you might only have God to depend on. Can you be sure HE will want you then, just because you have no one else and are almost finished up. That's kind of like the guy who I was working with for about a year, and he was babbling in homosexuality. His final comment to me before I decided to give Him to Jesus was, "That's o.k. just before I draw my last breath, I'll simply REPENT! My last words to him was, "And what if you can't get the words out of you mouth in time and you expire?..what then?

Blessings

Cajunboy

[eric]

Well said Cajunboy. A lot of posters on this board beat themselves up trying to tell others how to handle those who are in bondage to some sexual addiction. Fair enough.we should all try and turn them around using scripture, but with me, it's three strikes and you're out. After that. it's time to brush their dust from my shoes, and let the Holy Spirit take over.

some just don't want to know.

[Guest Biblicist]

Statistics are not very good for "Christian" recovery for the "gay" person.

I wonder what the statistics are for Christian recovery from alcoholism?

Pornography?

Gossip?

Backbiting?

Lying?

Kleptomania?

Fear?

Anger?

Why do people choose Homosexuality as the only sin out there to "recover" from?

[Guest Biblicist]

Well said Cajunboy. A lot of posters on this board beat themselves up trying to tell others how to handle those who are in bondage to some sexual addiction. Fair enough.we should all try and turn them around using scripture, but with me, it's three strikes and you're out. After that. it's time to brush their dust from my shoes, and let the Holy Spirit take over.

some just don't want to know.

Is that Biblical, three times? "Forgive 70 x 7" is what I read. I would take that to mean to never give up on a person.

Witnessing is not a baseball game.