Dog the Bounty Hunter

[Vickilynn]

Oh please, I've made the same comments when I was a babe in Christ, so what, as I learned, I had to let go of those things, because as I matured in Christ, and read the Word, I finally had to accept the fact that it didn't matter what I wanted to believe or think, I had to accept God's way.

I had a terrible potty mouth, I also did other things and found excuses for myself. That didn't mean that God still wasn't working on me to "sand" off those rough edges and bring my life in line with what He wanted me to do and be.

So Dog and Beth are still having their rough edges sanded, praise God, but I'll let Him do it, He doesn't need my help, and Dog and Beth don't need my condemnation.

Shalom SP,

Oh please, right back atcha! Read Dog's comments about what he believes about Jesus. That HE is NOT the ONLY way to get to the Father. And yes, they DO need help in seeing the truth from the Bible, like it or not.

No one is condemning them, so don't play that Straw Man card dear.

What is being discussed here is the BIBLE vs all y'all's opinions.

I'm here to stand on the Word, not man's opinion. You can condemn ME for that, but you won't condemn someone preaching a FALSE GOSPEL because he's on TV and you're a fan of his? Hmmmm. Very telling. The Bible is very clear not to overlook these things that y'all want to overlook because you are fans of his.

Talk about a straw man.......................................

Shalom SP,

The BIBLE and the real doctrine of Messiah being the ONLY way to the Father is the issue. The Straw Man is y'all weighing in with your opinions about whether he is saved or not. By his words words, he does not know the REAL Jesus.

[Guest LadyC]

i believe that the chapman's do know Christ as their saviour, but that they are very much babes in Christ, and as works in progress, have a lot of growing and learning to do.

Shalom LadyC,

What you personally believe is not the question. What I personally believe is not the question. Nor do our opinions matter.

We must hold their ACTIONS up to the Scriptures.

We must hold their WORDS up to the Scriptures.

Y'all can gloss over the profanity, the immoral sexual behavior and everything else, but you CANNOT disregard Duane's own words where he is preaching a false Gospel of many ways to the Father and "Christ-ISH" figures in every religion.

THAT does not stand up to the Scriptures as Christian. No matter what we want to personally believe.

i'm not glossing over anything. like i said, i don't watch their show anymore, in part because of the profanity. and i'm not disregarding duane's own words that you quoted. however i think you're placing too much emphasis on his faulty, politically correct statement and ignoring that he said (i'm not gonna scroll back and make sure i word it exactly right, but the gist of it is) as a gentile, i have to believe in the christian God.

when i DID watch the show regularly, during its first season, i never once heard him tell any individual that they could reach God through any other path. i think it's telling that he said "as a gentile, i must believe...." sounds to me that he doesn't have a grasp on what God says. gentiles don't have to believe anything. i get the impression he doesn't even know the difference between the words 'gentile' and 'christian', much less have a good understanding of anything else God says.

the chapman's need DISCIPLESHIP. they need someone teaching them the meat of the Bible... the truth about what God has spoken in regards to these areas that he knows so little about.

the chapman's have accepted Christ as their saviour. that is their testimony, and who am i to judge their HEARTS? we can judge their fruit all we want. that's what we're supposed to do, and their fruit is very immature and lacking. again, it's one of the reasons i don't watch their show anymore. but no man (or woman) can judge their salvation. unless they state otherwise, i believe they know Jesus because that is that is what they have testified.

rather than condemning them as unsaved, we need to be praying that they will learn to work out their salvation with fear and trembling, just as the rest of us need to do.

quite frankly, as long as they are doing this reality series, i doubt they will take the time to learn and grow spiritually.

dog is not the best representative of Christianity... but he IS a representative, and God is using him EVEN NOW. boy, i remember when i wasn't walking very close to God, i was stuck in a quagmire of sexual immorality and had a potty mouth to boot... and yet God still used me. even when i didn't want to be used sometimes! and at one point i even asked God about it... and within one week, two different people came into the poolhall where i worked and thanked me, and shared with me how God had used ME to influence them. one had become a christian, the other had maintained his sobriety because of how God used me (as i served him a beer) to encourage this guy (who was a total stranger) to walk away from the bottle.

if you'd have ever once walked into that poolhall and just sat back and observed, you would have judged my fruit and found me lacking. you would never have believed i was a christian. and back then, i wasn't MUCH of one, to be sure... but that doesn't mean that i wasn't one. in fact, if you were to meet me in person today, you might form the same opinion of me... if you held my words up to scripture, and my actions up to scripture, if you judged me by the same standard you judge duane by, you'd be saying of me exactly what you're saying of him. i don't have much fruit. but for the fruit i do have, i give God alone the credit and the glory. and so does dog chapman. in every interview i've ever read or heard, in nearly every episode i've ever watched of his show, he gives credit to God. OUR God. at the end of every prayer he utters, he says in Jesus' name... OUR Jesus, not some phony jesus of some other religion.

now maybe we can look at him and say "how is God being glorified", but God is looking down on dog seeing what we don't see... He is seeing his heart, he's seeing duane's past, and seeing duane's future, and is probably saying "wow... it sure is hard to teach an old dog new tricks, but nothing is beyond my ability, and i'm well pleased with the progress he's made so far, and will be more pleased in a few years." duane may not be leading any strayed christians BACK to God, but he is planting seeds for the kingdom of heaven.... that's all he can do at this stage in his spiritual journey, because he's certainly not mature enough to water the seeds anyone else has planted.

he isn't preaching a false gospel, he isn't preaching about some other 'jesus'. despite his politically correct and biblically ignorant statement that you quoted, the only gospel he presents to the criminals he witnesses to is OUR Jesus. OUR God. never once have i heard him tell a criminal "you can get to heaven through another path". he tells them about Jesus. he tells them about the Bible. and he prays with them in Jesus' name.

does anyone here live in hawaii? i can tell you what i would do if i lived there. i'd make an appointment with duane and beth... and i'd sit down and share with them more about Jesus, and i'd also explain exactly why i don't watch their show anymore. i wouldn't be harsh or judgmental, but i would point out that they were not showing Jesus in the best of light, and help them to learn how to be a better witness for Him. and i'd spend time praying beforehand that the Holy Spirit would direct my words, and that the words would be well received.

[Guest LadyC]

oh, and one more thought about what God's probably thinking as He looks down on duane chapman... he's probably sitting up there thinking "when is one of my children typing on worthyboards going to step up to My call, do My bidding, and be a witness to duane so that he might know me better?"

[Vickilynn]

he isn't preaching a false gospel, he isn't preaching about some other 'jesus'. despite his politically correct and biblically ignorant statement that you quoted, the only gospel he presents to the criminals he witnesses to is OUR Jesus. OUR God. never once have i heard him tell a criminal "you can get to heaven through another path". he tells them about Jesus. he tells them about the Bible. and he prays with them in Jesus' name.

Shalom,

To quote the Dog-fans. We don't see everything he says. It's not all video-taped.

What we DO have is Duane's own words, that he does not believe that Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father.

He says there are many religions (and compares them to FOOD!). He says there are "Christ-ISH" mediators in all religions.

He says he is not a "Jesus-only" or "hell" person. That's not politically-correct, that's BIBLICALLY FALSE RELIGION.

He is preaching a false Gospel. He is teaching that there are many ways to get to the Father. He denies that Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. He is just as dangerous as any other false teacher and he is using TV and his status as an icon as his pulpit.

We don't know that he is saved just because he says he is a Christian. His fruit stinks. His words do not reflect that he knows the Jesus of the Bible or how to be saved, according to the Scriptures. No one is judging his heart, but his own words condemn him.

People put him up on a pedestal because he is a TV icon and ignore what he is really saying, which is that he is preaching many paths lead to G-d, not Jesus alone.

This is dangerous. This is false doctrine. This is false Gospel. And as the Bible says, many people will buy it, hook line and sinker.

[Vickilynn]

oh, and one more thought about what God's probably thinking as He looks down on duane chapman... he's probably sitting up there thinking "when is one of my children typing on worthyboards going to step up to My call, do My bidding, and be a witness to duane so that he might know me better?"

Shalom,

No, G-d wants someone to witness to Duane how to know the REAL Jesus, (not one of many "Christ-ISH" figures), how to be truly saved and know that Jesus is the ONLY Mediator, ONLY Savior and ONLY way to the Father. He needs to be saved according to the Scriptures.

[Guest LadyC]

when you were a babe in Christ, did you not have some false beliefs about and misconceptions about God carried over from your pre-salvation days?

you're going by what he himself has said. SO AM I. i'm going by the many, many times i've heard him witness to some criminal. he wasn't telling them what he told that reporter in the interview. he's telling them about only ONE way to salvation... through Jesus Christ.

vickilynn, i like you a lot, and don't want you to take this as harshly as it sounds. but i think you need to take the plank out of your own eye and PRAY for the chapmans, THANK God for the work He is doing in their lives, and instead of judging them on their ignorance, pray for their comprehension.

and for the record, i didn't just refer to that quote as politically correct, but ALSO as biblically ignorant. it is a false belief, to be sure. but it is both ignorant and politically correct. it's a dangerous way of thinking. but God is using the chapman's, and i any of us were to step up to the plate and disciple them, He would be able to use them a great deal more.

[Guest LadyC]

just out of curiousity (i haven't followed the link to the beliefnet site you pulled those quotes from.) where were the original quotes said? to whom? i ask because i don't care much for beliefnet.

never mind all that. i just went and watched the videos. did you only read the text portion, or did you watch the rest to get the full context of what he believes?

if you watch all the videos, it supports what i've been saying. HE talks to others about the only Jesus that HE knows... he has some misconceptions, no doubt. he does say that he believes every culture has their own path to the almighty, but he also states that the only path HE knows personally is through Jesus. and he talks at length about his faith in Jesus (not in some other christ-ish figure), about his faith (in the one true God, not in some other christ-ish figure) and about the Bible, and what Jesus teaches therein.

[Vickilynn]

when you were a babe in Christ, did you not have some false beliefs about and misconceptions about God carried over from your pre-salvation days?

you're going by what he himself has said. SO AM I. i'm going by the many, many times i've heard him witness to some criminal. he wasn't telling them what he told that reporter in the interview. he's telling them about only ONE way to salvation... through Jesus Christ.

vickilynn, i like you a lot, and don't want you to take this as harshly as it sounds. but i think you need to take the plank out of your own eye and PRAY for the chapmans, THANK God for the work He is doing in their lives, and instead of judging them on their ignorance, pray for their comprehension.

and for the record, i didn't just refer to that quote as politically correct, but ALSO as biblically ignorant. it is a false belief, to be sure. but it is both ignorant and politically correct. it's a dangerous way of thinking. but God is using the chapman's, and i any of us were to step up to the plate and disciple them, He would be able to use them a great deal more.

Shalom LadyC,

This isn't about you or me, but the Bible. The "plank" reference is an ad hominem attack, and has no bearing on this discussion, and you well know it. Stick to the Bible please.

His words do not stand up to Scripture period. You are assuming something not substantiated and in fact REFUTED by his own words. Who should we believe, you or him? He says with his own words that he does not believe in the Jesus of the Bible, the ONLY true way to the Father. He is preaching false doctrine and false religion, the same as any other false preacher.

People on the other hand are attributing salvation to him when they know NOTHING about him. His words do not reflect that he is saved, yet you think you have the right to say he his. I would say to you, take the blinders off your eyes and stand up for the WORD.

You also don't know about my prayer life, so again, another ad hominem attack, which has no bearing in this discussion. I don't really care about anything but the Word. I don't post here to be liked (obviously) but to post the TRUTH from Scriptures. And this IS the truth from Scriptures - Duane is preaching a false Jesus.

Avoid directing your comments about me please. This is about the BIBLE and the BIBLE only. I am ignoring the rest of your personally-directed comments since this discussion is about Duane's OWN testimony and the Bible. Not me, and not you. Please stick to the fact about Duane and his false doctrine.

Hold up Duane's words to the BIBLE. He fails. It is imperative that someone understand who JESUS is, before they can be saved. If they believe in a FALSE Jesus (as Duane does), they cannot be saved. One is not saved by "almost" getting it and believing there are many ways to be saved other than JESUS ALONE.

Cult members come on here and preach the "many roads to salvation" and everyone is quick to show them the truth in the Word. But Dog? Oh well, he's special. We can "assume" that he knows Jesus because he's on TV and he's changed his life.

Sorry, that's not what the Scriptures say.

I don't give a whit what someone thinks of me for standing up for the Word and the truth in it that Jesus is the ONLY way, not one of many. I will defend the truth of the Gospel against the false religion Duane is preaching. I would expect no less from anyone else devoted to Jesus.

2 Corinthians 11

3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.

[Vickilynn]

just out of curiousity (i haven't followed the link to the beliefnet site you pulled those quotes from.) where were the original quotes said? to whom? i ask because i don't care much for beliefnet.

never mind all that. i just went and watched the videos. did you only read the text portion, or did you watch the rest to get the full context of what he believes?

if you watch all the videos, it supports what i've been saying. HE talks to others about the only Jesus that HE knows... he has some misconceptions, no doubt. he does say that he believes every culture has their own path to the almighty, but he also states that the only path HE knows personally is through Jesus. and he talks at length about his faith in Jesus (not in some other christ-ish figure), about his faith (in the one true God, not in some other christ-ish figure) and about the Bible, and what Jesus teaches therein.

Shalom LadyC,

I read it ALL. I watched it ALL.

His words stand very clearly as his own condemnation. His words are not a "misconception", they are a false Gospel.

If he came on here and posted these beliefs, we would be quick to show him the truth. But no, we cover up his false Jesus by saying he is mistaken. Bottom line, if he doesn't know the REAL Jesus, the ONLY way to the Father, he is not saved.

It is very interesting that some are assuming he knows the REAL Jesus, when in fact, he says he does not. He knows of A Jesus, but he does not know the ONLY way to the Father, so he knows a false, Chist-ISH figure of his own making. Just because he uses the name "Jesus" and "G-d" does not mean he knows the REAL Jesus. In fact, his words prove that he does not.

Look LadyC, you can tell everyone all day long that Duane knows Jesus. However, his OWN words refute that.

I'll look to the source, not someone's opinion of whether he is saved or not.

[Guest LadyC]

no, vicki, it's not an ad hominem attack, and it is relevant. the point is you're passing judgement on his sin without taking a look at the whole picture. you are making an allegation that his testimony, his profession of having accepted CHRIST as his saviour, is irrelevant because he made an ignorant statement that does not line up with scripture. and i don't dispute that it is an unbiblical view, because it IS unbiblical. but it is something he needs to learn the truth about, so that he can abolish that faulty belief.

it is NOT what he preaches when he witnesses to others. it is NOT what he lives his life by.

i'll have to engage further in this discussion later.... everyone's up and about, and i am unable to post a darn thing right now because i've got too many people talking to me in real life