Sequence Of The 70 Weeks of Daniel 9

[arvy]

Question 1:

Most scholars and theologians count the seventy weeks of Daniel 9 as 70 times 7, and transpose this multiple to literal years. Is there sound logic for this tranposition?

Question 2:

Where is the true chronological point in history from which the 70 weeks were to have begun?

Question 3:

What worthy biblical facts can be presented for the logic of an uninterupted 69 week sequence with an indefinite period of now more than 1900 years before the start of the 70th week?

Question 4:

Does God, the father, and God the Son present us unpredictable and incalculable results from His Prophets projections of time? Did Messiah follow any form for logic relative to the time of His first Coming?

Question 5:

Is there any importance that we understand and teach Bible prophecy accurately for truth sake?

Amos 3:6-8; Jhn.5:39-40; Dan. 2:27-29, and 36-40

Where time has a part in an historical sequence the start of the count must be correct for the close of the count to be correct. Prophecy is History before it has transpired.

[arvy]

I recommend David Jeremiah's excellent series on the Book of Daniel for answers to these questions and more, but the answer to your first question is "yes"

the time frame (in days) of the Great Tribulation (the time after the "abomination that causes desolation" occurs), the last 3-1/2 years of Daniel's 70th Week, is defined in Daniel 12, as well as Revelation (1260 days, plus another 30 days for judgment of Israel in Daniel 12) , so we know the time is literal seven year periods

how do we know the 70th Week is yet future? simple...none of the global, horrifying events described in Revelation, including massive hailstones, earthquakes, seas turning to blood, stars falling from the sky, demon armies ransacking the earth, etc. have occcurred...you can't push that stuff back to 70 A.D., it's impossible...in addition, at no time in history has one man been in control of the entire world, as the antichrist will be, with "666"...finally, Israel has only been "regathered from many nations and now living at the center of the Land" (Ezekiel 38)

and question 5...absolutely! for the same reason we can have confidence God tells us the truth about origins...when you know what is foretold, it's pretty easy to understand what's going on in the middle east, as well as the mad rush toward globalism and the incessant preaching of "tolerance" by the media (the last remaining virtue of a rapidly decaying society)

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arvy 'ere, yzf-r1,

Yes, is a rather bland answer. I do believe that God is an intelect of omniscience, and there fore a "Spirit" of firm reasoning logic. [isa. 1:18; 53:4-12; 9:1-2, 24-27; Jhn. 4:19-26.] Hence my questions:

Q. No. 1, "Is there sound logic for the tranposition... of the 70 weeks to literal years as multiplied by 7, or 490 years?

Why not 70 literal weeks, of seven literal days? Seventy "shabua" of days?

Q. No. 2: "Where is the true chronological point in history from which the 70 weeks were to have begun?"

What be the problem of the 70 weeks from any point of chronology if they were taken to be 70 literal weeks of 7 literal days each?

Q. No. 3: what worthy biblical facts can be presented for the logic of an uninterupted 69 week sequence with an indefinite period of now more than 1900 years before the start of the 70th week?"

What line of logic, __ biblical or otherwise, __ could reasonably present a sequence for a numbered set of days or years (say 1290 days or years) to begin from one point in a chronology of history, run forward for 75 days or years in unbroken succession, then take up a resumption of the same count of that number 1900 days or years at some non-certifiable point of chronology in the future? Do you think the point of this question is illogical relative to the facts set forward by the "Spirit" of the prophets Daniel and Jesus, the inspiration of "Revelations" relative to specified biblical "times?" How smart do we perceive God to be relative to simple basic mathematics?

How might a change in our thinking be affected if we should find much of what we have learned to believe, as a matter of prophetic doctrines, were not in firm factual alignment with His "Mind:" His "Spirit?"

[antiaging]

Question 3:

What worthy biblical facts can be presented for the logic of an uninterupted 69 week sequence with an indefinite period of now more than 1900 years before the start of the 70th week?

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy

city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make

reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and

to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the

commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince

shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be

built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but

not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy

the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and

unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in

the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to

cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,

even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the

desolate.

The angel Gabriel told Daniel that 70 weeks of punishment for iniquity would

be visited upon Israel for her sins. That is referring to 70 weeks of years

or 70 times 7 years. Dan. 9:24 shows these are years of punishment.

The first 69 years of this punishment on Israel happen before Messiah comes.

Then it says that Messiah would be killed, Dan.9:26, and in the same verse

it tells that the people that the antichrist (the prince that shall come)

will come from, will destroy the city and the sancturary. The Romans did

that in 70AD. This shows that the antichrist will be a Roman prince or

ruler. Notice, that there is an historical break of over 1900 years in that

one verse, going from the death of Jesus, to the prince that shall come, the

antichrist. 69 of the 70 weeks of years had passed, and there is one 7 year

period of punishment on Israel left.

[The reason for this over 1900 year break in time is because as it says in

Daniel 9:24, the seventy weeks are determined upon the Jews and Jerusalem.

It must be fulfilled when the Jews are a nation and living in Jerusalem.

From around AD 70 onward, the Jews were a scattered people and not a nation

living at Jerusalem. So only the 69 weeks could be fulfilled till that time.

In Dan. 9:26 it tells of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and it says

desolations are determined. This is the period that Israel will be desolate

for over 1900 years. Israel became a nation again in 1948 and got control of

Jerusalem in 1967. Now the remaining last week of 7 years can be fulfilled.

Week number 70.]

This is interesting.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but

not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy

the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and

unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

It shows desolations would be determined on the land from AD 70 (when the city and the sancuary was destroyed) until the end of the war. WHAT WAR?

It looks like it could be a reference to World War 2. (The biblical use of desolate, see Dan. 11, refers to without an inhabitant or the Jewish people run out of the land.) After World War 2 the Jews that were persecuted in Europe went back to the land of Israel. They forced the Brittish out and were given a country of Israel by the United Nations. The Land ceased to be desolate of Jews after World War 2.

Edited September 6, 2007 by antiaging