When It Comes to Guns, We're No. 1

[Eliyahuw]

Our historical revisionist is hard at work again.

Other than background checks and the assault weapons ban, what have they tried to do?

instituted registration of firearms, by implementing background checks. Once they do one and that person buys a weapon, their name is put on the government list to sieze weaponswhen the time comes.

Democrats learned well from Hitler how to disarm a society.

[Eliyahuw]

The US has 27 times the the murders with firearms PER PERSON than the UK. Either the US has a gun problem, or the US has a violence problem. Take your pick.

Sounds like the criminals are going to get a weapon whether it be a gun or a knife no matter what any law is in place.

I am all for arm everyone and then see hwo low the crime goes! We'll run out of murderers real fast if we start dispatching them.

FYI the US has 800+ million weapons. You would think if it was guns being the fault there would be a blood bath.

That 800+Million is keeping us safe.

[Eliyahuw]

America is full of thugs and criminals and America is evil.

But who do you think the World calls when they need help defending their sorry butts?

Well, I admit there's probably some truth to that. But it's really not related to gun control or how many of your civilians carry weapons, we want help from the American military because it is well trained and well equipped, not from the armed civilians.

Where do you think the military comes from??? Armed civilians! Most of those armed civilians are as good as any military trained citizen. In fact, our armed civilians are better with their firearms that cops are! At least the civilians can hit their targets!

[Eliyahuw]

The problem is that gun control laws do very little to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

So what's the point?

The point is that the statistics do not support your statement. Why is it that there are more murders with firearms in the US than Canada if in the US, all the law-abiding citizens with guns prevent criminals from using them while in Canada we are all unarmed?

The point is that murder is going to happen whether or not you have a firearm or a baseball bat. the criminal is going to use whatever they have available, and quite frankly there are plenty of guns in canada for them to get illegally. So what good does your laws do when these murderers and criminals get the guns on your streets anyway.

[Eliyahuw]

I agree that we need to be ruthless on individuals who commit crimes. That is why we have a police force who will lock them up.

ROTFLMAO! Your kidding right! Cops are as bad as the criminals! You cannot depend on a cop to help you! thats not even their job! All a cops required to do is to protect public property and resources. Their not even required to proect the citizen. Don't believe me? Supreme court ruled on that a few years ago stating that we are responsible for our own protection.

Is it legal in the US for someone to shoot a criminal? If not, then you really need to wait for the police force anyways.

Yeah right, i'll wait after i put two in their chest and one in their head, cause it'll take the cops a hour or two to get there. They have to finish their donuts and coffee first!

[JustinM]

Fiosh, increases were reported in those violent crimes between 2005 and 2006. Since the gun control law was passed they have declined. JustinM, I'm not seeing the point of your first post. You brought peace to Europe twice, that is because you have a great military and has nothing to do with armed civilians. And I know the US has 300 million citizens, that is accounted for in the comparison date (they are per capita figures).

I agree that we need to be ruthless on individuals who commit crimes. That is why we have a police force who will lock them up. Is it legal in the US for someone to shoot a criminal? If not, then you really need to wait for the police force anyways.

Although, I have decided this is kind of a pointless argument. I am happy with the gun laws in Canada, you are obviously happy with the gun laws in the United States. I live in Canada, you live in the United States. We're both happy. So I don't plan to post here again.

Maybe the US just has a violence problem, rather than a gun problem.

That was what I was responding to when I said the same violent US that brought peace to Europe twice. You call our nation a violent one. Tell me, what nation has no violence?

When you call us violent, just what do you mean by that? Do we have honor killings? Do we stone people to death? Do we behead people that disagree with or are different from us? Does America live by the gun, or by the law?

Criminals in our country are violent and it is a problem we would love to have a solution to, if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, the real problem America has, that sets it a part from all others, is its drug addiction.

More blood has been shed over drugs than from any other crime committed in this country. That is the source of our violence.

If we can seal up our borders, stop the drug flow from coming into our country and sober up our drug addicted, the violence will drop big time.

We need to put every drug pusher in prison for a minimum 15 years + 1 day and make them inellegible for parole.

I mean, from the most basic pot seller, to the cocaine kingpin. There should be a zero tolerance policy for selling drugs and anyone caught doing so, needs to disappear for awhile.

Take away the drugs and their providers and our society will sober up. Why is it that, despite all the knowledge we have of drugs and their consequences, do we still have anyone using them? Because, the dealers target the most vulnerable and impressionable amongst us. Our children are being addicted to drugs at earlier and earlier ages every year.

That is the source of America's vile-lence (sic).

Get rid of our addiction and our violence will subside.

[KeilanS]

Well, I attempted to drop out of this discussion in post 38, but I found your post intriguing JustinM.

I prefer Canada's laws on gun control (and you obviously prefer the US's, hence theres really no point in arguing that), but the issue of why the US is a violent country is a good one. I was unaware of the higher amount of drug addictions in the US when compared to other countries and I agree with your methods. I have been thinking similar things for awhile. Drugs should be an absolutely no tolerance issue. There are kids at my school who smoke pot outside and the teachers know about it, yet nothing is done. If we started locking up people selling drugs, and giving harsh fines to the people using them, we could clear up the problem in no time. (The drug problem and the violence problem).

[Eliyahuw]

Fiosh, increases were reported in those violent crimes between 2005 and 2006. Since the gun control law was passed they have declined. JustinM, I'm not seeing the point of your first post. You brought peace to Europe twice, that is because you have a great military and has nothing to do with armed civilians. And I know the US has 300 million citizens, that is accounted for in the comparison date (they are per capita figures).

I agree that we need to be ruthless on individuals who commit crimes. That is why we have a police force who will lock them up. Is it legal in the US for someone to shoot a criminal? If not, then you really need to wait for the police force anyways.

Although, I have decided this is kind of a pointless argument. I am happy with the gun laws in Canada, you are obviously happy with the gun laws in the United States. I live in Canada, you live in the United States. We're both happy. So I don't plan to post here again.

Maybe the US just has a violence problem, rather than a gun problem.

That was what I was responding to when I said the same violent US that brought peace to Europe twice. You call our nation a violent one. Tell me, what nation has no violence?

When you call us violent, just what do you mean by that? Do we have honor killings? Do we stone people to death? Do we behead people that disagree with or are different from us? Does America live by the gun, or by the law?

Criminals in our country are violent and it is a problem we would love to have a solution to, if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, the real problem America has, that sets it a part from all others, is its drug addiction.

More blood has been shed over drugs than from any other crime committed in this country. That is the source of our violence.

If we can seal up our borders, stop the drug flow from coming into our country and sober up our drug addicted, the violence will drop big time.

We need to put every drug pusher in prison for a minimum 15 years + 1 day and make them inellegible for parole.

I mean, from the most basic pot seller, to the cocaine kingpin. There should be a zero tolerance policy for selling drugs and anyone caught doing so, needs to disappear for awhile.

Take away the drugs and their providers and our society will sober up. Why is it that, despite all the knowledge we have of drugs and their consequences, do we still have anyone using them? Because, the dealers target the most vulnerable and impressionable amongst us. Our children are being addicted to drugs at earlier and earlier ages every year.

That is the source of America's vile-lence (sic).

Get rid of our addiction and our violence will subside.

Sorry but that won't work. They will still get drugs and they will still use them

There is only 2 solutions to drug abuse problem

first solution is to close up the borders and execute every drug dealer, every drug user every pothead, and all of the ones that are addicted to prescription drugs!

Second solution is to legalize all drugs, including removing the requirement for prescriptions to get medication.

This will bottom out the drug market, take away all the profit potential from the dealers as well as the manufacturers of drugs, we can then stop spending 250 billion on the war on drugs, take 1/3 of that and rehab all drug users, give them 1 chance to get clean, and if they reoffend strip them of their citizenship and put them in prison or send them out of the country.

Any other method wont' work.

[Eliyahuw]

Well, I attempted to drop out of this discussion in post 38, but I found your post intriguing JustinM.

I prefer Canada's laws on gun control (and you obviously prefer the US's, hence theres really no point in arguing that), but the issue of why the US is a violent country is a good one. I was unaware of the higher amount of drug addictions in the US when compared to other countries and I agree with your methods. I have been thinking similar things for awhile. Drugs should be an absolutely no tolerance issue. There are kids at my school who smoke pot outside and the teachers know about it, yet nothing is done. If we started locking up people selling drugs, and giving harsh fines to the people using them, we could clear up the problem in no time. (The drug problem and the violence problem).

UNLESS you take the profit out of drug dealing, there will be new dealers to take the old dealers places.

Right now drugs have a profit of over 1,700% markup. thats worth the risk of getting caught!

[KeilanS]

Eliyahuw, first off, I hope you're joking about executing everyone who sells or does drugs. That would be like 50 teenagers at my high school alone, and if Butero is correct, it would be worse in the US.

I agree with you about the fact that it is worth the risk for 1700% mark-up. But that got me thinking, we're targetting the wrong crowd if we attack the drug dealers. They're making the huge profit and short of a life in prison sentence, people will take the risk. We need to target the users. Say we have a $1000 fine for anyone caught using illegal drugs, that will stop people from buying them. The sellers will be willing to risk it, but will the buyers? And if it becomes very hard to find buyers, the sellers will stop thinking it's worth the risk.

And I'm confused about your plan to legalize them. YOu said we should make them all legal, but then you said "and if they reoffend strip them of their citizenship and put them in prison or send them out of the country."... reoffend? It wouldn't be an offense if it's legal. However, you might be on to something about legalizing them. I dont' remember when, but for awhile alcohol was made illegal in Canada, and that lead to a huge black market and the amount of alcohol actually increased. Maybe legalizing drugs would decrease their use and eventually people would realize how stupid it is to get hooked.