Are you confused by the word"Anti-Semitic?"

[stevehut]

if you read Gen.10, the Arabs descended from Ham.

[Guest shiloh357]

I don't have mine handy right now. It is back at the house. I will look up the references I was referring to.

I realize you are not taking the Arabs position. Also did you check out the link I provided?

[stevehut]

I don't have mine handy right now. It is back at the house. I will look up the references I was referring to.

I realize you are not taking the Arabs position. Also did you check out the link I provided?

Shiloh,

Apparently, you saw my post before I changed it. Take another look.

And thanks for understanding that I have no political agenda here.

Yes, I did click on the link, very interesting. I honestly don't know how the conflict should be resolved.

[Guest Joshua]

Israel is not bent upon destroying the Palestinians, and you have no grounds for saying that they are.

Actually, I have heard that very message from the mouth of Ariel Sharon a thousand times.

[stevehut]

Are you out there, Shiloh?

[Guest No Spoons]

n/m :x:

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Nebuchadnezzar

You said:

Jesus said to love your neighbor

[nebula]

Yowsers, Nebu!

I'm not going to say that the Jews who came into the land did or did not handle things properly, but the way you just presented it here is way off! For example:

The European Jews came to Palestine to run the inhabitants off the land.

This sentence does indeed paint a false picture of the situation.

After the attempt by the Nazis to exterminate the Jews, the survivors banded together for continued survival. After being scattered from Israel in 70AD by the Romans, the Jews have been living at the mercy of the governing bodies of the nations they settled in. For centuries, they have suffered persecution at the hands of unfriendly governments and citizens. No more! They wanted their own nation once again to save their race/heritage.

The land that was then called Palestine was not a nation. It was property that kept changing hands over time and settled by "tenants."

Since this land was the Jews' original homeland, and since it was not a real nation, it only made sense for this land to become their homeland once again.

The UN passed a reloution allowing them to return.

But it wasn't easy. The Arabs living there and around there didn't want the Jews there. Yes, it can be argued they could have done better than they did. But you need ot consider along with this that the Jews didn't necessarily start the conflict and the fighting. The Arabs forught to keep them out, and the jews fought back to preserve themselves.

As for the so-called "occupied territories," Israel won those in wars started by the neighboring Arabs. It's the Arabs fault Israel had a need to take the land for their own protection.

The wall they are now building is Israel's response to the suicide bombers and such.

It is very sad to hear all this condemnation against Israel for what they have done to defend themselves.

Maybe there are things they could do better. But until you know what it is like to live in fear that the next bus you catch may be the next one to blow up - who are you to point such a finger at them?

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BTW - in Revelation - notice who it is that leads the attack of the nations against Israel.

Hmmmmmmmmmm?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

The history of Israel is shaping up to be much like the history of America, where millions of natives were either slaughtered or herded onto reservations. The histories are very similar, early Americans did it in the name of Manifest-destiny and Israel in the name of God. Ha! At least it would be funny is it wasn

[nebula]

You missed my point.

But it doesn't matter. The issue begins with whether or not you believe Israel is in a fight for survival or not.

If we cannot agree on this issue, we will never find agreement anywhere on this issue.

So let's begin at this square.

Do you believe the existance of Israel is threatened?

Do you believe if Israel lays down its arms, dismantles the fence, allows full freedom to the "Palestinians," withdraws form the Golan Heights and other such areas, etc., that the Palestinians and other Arabs will stop the suicide bombings and leave the Israelis alone in peace?