What are Demons?

[hr.jr.]

I don't know where it says that they are bound. Satan and the fallen angels are what we war against. The Bible tells us we wrestle not against flesh and blood or things in this natural realm. There are 3 levels of hierarchy in the satans government, principalities, powers, rulers of darkness.

(Ephesians 6:12) For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the world's rulers, of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Now their may be more to it than this, but I know cities that have strongholds over them. Communities that every person in the town is proud or self-righteous. I grew up in a town like that. Other cities may have a spirit of murder over them. Have you ever been out driving and go through a town and get the weirdest thought run through your head and wonder where did that come from? Demons are not mentioned in the bible. Familiar spirits and such, these are what we deem as ghosts. They will take on the form of someone we may know or of a previous life. I had a friend who's daughter was sitting on the couch talking to thin air and when dad asked her who she was talking to she said grandpa. She had never known her grandpa, but in the same instance she reached up and kissed him on the cheek, but no one was there. Later she seen a picture of a man and she told her dad that it was him in the room with her. The picture was of her grandfather she had never met.

Blessings

I never said demons do not exist. I asked where they came from. We have two clear scriptures that tell us they can not be fallen angels.

[hr.jr.]

<br />I don't know where it says that they are bound. Satan and the fallen angels are what we war against. The Bible tells us we wrestle not against flesh and blood or things in this natural realm. There are 3 levels of hierarchy in the satans government, principalities, powers, rulers of darkness.<br /><br />(Ephesians 6:12) For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the world's rulers, of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in high places. <br /><br />Now their may be more to it than this, but I know cities that have strongholds over them. Communities that every person in the town is proud or self-righteous. I grew up in a town like that. Other cities may have a spirit of murder over them. Have you ever been out driving and go through a town and get the weirdest thought run through your head and wonder where did that come from? Demons are not mentioned in the bible. Familiar spirits and such, these are what we deem as ghosts. They will take on the form of someone we may know or of a previous life. I had a friend who's daughter was sitting on the couch talking to thin air and when dad asked her who she was talking to she said grandpa. She had never known her grandpa, but in the same instance she reached up and kissed him on the cheek, but no one was there. Later she seen a picture of a man and she told her dad that it was him in the room with her. The picture was of her grandfather she had never met.<br /><br />Blessings<br />

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They are in there, the bible that is...look up the scriptures that have satan cast out, devils, spirits, the apostles themselves took Jesus for a GHOST when He walked on water. We have authority to bind them. PPRAISE THE LORD JESUS

The question is not "do demons exist?" The question is "what are they?"

[Guest Rapturebound]

I just have to publicly apologize, not that I meant anything bad in my post nor am I rejecting what you say. Now I want to know also. There has to be an explanation. Thanks for sharing

Blessings

[AnotherTraveler]

The bible doesn't tell us everything, but sometimes the bible refers us to other books. Any books that the bible quotes should be considered as NOT being scripture, but certainly if the bible refers to a book, then looking into and reading that book might not be a bad idea.

With that in mind, the bible says...

Jude 1:14-15 (KJV)

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

This (above ) is a quote out of the book of enoch. The one below is also a quote out of the book of enoch.

Book of Enoch 13:8 Now the giants, who have been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm

Again, I stress that the book of enoch is not scripture, but it is reference material that the bible quotes.

[hr.jr.]

The bible doesn't tell us everything, but sometimes the bible refers us to other books. Any books that the bible quotes should be considered as NOT being scripture, but certainly if the bible refers to a book, then looking into and reading that book might not be a bad idea.

With that in mind, the bible says...

Jude 1:14-15 (KJV)

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

This (above ) is a quote out of the book of enoch. The one below is also a quote out of the book of enoch.

Book of Enoch 13:8 Now the giants, who have been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm

Again, I stress that the book of enoch is not scripture, but it is reference material that the bible quotes.

This entire line of thought completely agrees with the belief that "demons" are actually the disembodies spirits of the inhabitants of the pre-Adamic Earth.

[Blien]

I had one of my previous topics closed because I couldn't show a video on the pre-Adamite era (if it truly was in existance).

There is only one thing I want to say and that is, we should be aware of the younger audience here when we open up these grey area's in the Bible because they could very easily lead someone astray by showing them books that are not scripture and not accurate.

If you know what Demons are then say it, didn't you say that you spent much of your life studying them? Why all the questioning? I will restate your previous Bible verse to answer your question.

Jude 1:6 (Amplified)

6 And angels who did not keep (care for, guard, and hold to) their own first place of power but abandoned their proper dwelling place--these He has reserved in custody in eternal chains (bonds) under the thick gloom of utter darkness until the judgment and doom of the great day.

They are clearly talking about the fallen Angels. In the book of Enoch, whoever wrote it, doesn't state that 1/3 of the angels are held in captivity or not. It simply sounds to me that they are held captive on Earth and may not return to Heaven. And it does say that in the Book of Enoch.

Edited October 31, 2007 by Blien

[hr.jr.]

I had one of my previous topics closed because I couldn't show a video on the pre-Adamite era (if it truly was in existance).

There is only one thing I want to say and that is, we should be aware of the younger audience here when we open up these grey area's in the Bible because they could very easily lead someone astray by showing them books that are not scripture and not accurate.

If you know what Demons are then say it, didn't you say that you spent much of your life studying them? Why all the questioning? I will restate your previous Bible verse to answer your question.

Jude 1:6 (Amplified)

6 And angels who did not keep (care for, guard, and hold to) their own first place of power but abandoned their proper dwelling place--these He has reserved in custody in eternal chains (bonds) under the thick gloom of utter darkness until the judgment and doom of the great day.

They are clearly talking about the fallen Angels. In the book of Enoch, whoever wrote it, doesn't state that 1/3 of the angels are held in captivity or not. It simply sounds to me that they are held captive on Earth and may not return to Heaven. And it does say that in the Book of Enoch.

Scripture is scripture, if it is "dangerous," so be it. I did not post anything out of the "lost books." My only posts were from the Canon. I have spent much of my adult life studying demons. What are they? My belief is that they are disembodied spirits of the Pre-Adamic era. I can not prove that, but I do believe that. I would like scriptural input from others to help answer the question. The only thing I can most assuredly tell you is they are NOT FALLEN ANGELS. Why? We have two clear and concise scriptures telling us that the fallen angels are bound.

They are bound where? 6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.

They are bound in Hell, not on the Earth.

[Blien]

Here is the thing though.. you seem to be pointing to an A & B Earth.. don't you see where this is going to lead? And if that is the case, what foothold do we have on GOD's grace and Mercy? And what case do we even have for Jesus Christ being God?

This is why I say its very dangerous. You are going into a way that seems innocent but is full of snares.

[Blien]

I'm going to clarify more, some say the Pre-Adamite period is why we have Dinosaurs and so and so.. But it was that same time that Satan was cast down to the earth and a 1/3 of the Angels with him. Which is why it must say in the second verse:

Genisis 1:2

2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

From the book of Isaiah it says God doesn't create things with void, he is life its impossible.

Isaiah 55: 11

11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:

It will not return to me empty,

but will accomplish what I desire

and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.

Jude 1:6 (Amplified)

6 And angels who did not keep (care for, guard, and hold to) their own first place of power but abandoned their proper dwelling place--these He has reserved in custody in eternal chains (bonds) under the thick gloom of utter darkness until the judgment and doom of the great day.

So this is how I translate Jude 1:6, these fallen Angels have been striped of their bodies, which is why they remain in darkness or in other words hidden.. nevertheless still on Earth its a possibility.

Edited October 31, 2007 by Blien

[hr.jr.]

Here is the thing though.. you seem to be pointing to an A & B Earth.. don't you see where this is going to lead? And if that is the case, what foothold do we have on GOD's grace and Mercy? And what case do we even have for Jesus Christ being God?

This is why I say its very dangerous. You are going into a way that seems innocent but is full of snares.

Please tell me what is dangerous about believing in a pre-Adamic era. It is almost universally held now by Pentecostals. When I began to adhere to it, you could hardly find a person who believed in it. Now, it is the accepted doctrine by almost all pentecostal theologians.

The only question I can see you may be referring to is did God create a race of people on the Earth that he offered no plan of redemption to after they sinned. The simple answer is, Yes. Just as Lucifeer and the fallen angels were offered no plan of redemption, this class of Earth being was likewise offered no plan of redemption.

We were not guaranteed a plan of redemption. God, through His extreme grace, chose to offer the human race a plan of redemption. He did not have to do it. He chose to do it.