The LDS are still in sin

[Guest sanctification]

Hey, I agree with that.

[stevehut]

Hey, I agree with that. 

Huh? Then I must be doing something wrong :whistle: Gimme a minute here, I'll figure it out...

[AllforJesustheLord]

The main scriptures I use are God will not allow His scriptures to change, and He makes sure His word stays the same. Mark 13:31 Heaven, and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

I say that because the Joseph Smith translation of the bible, changes many things, adds, and subtracts, and changes meanings, of the eternal Word. Now since that is true, also the other works do the same things, the book of mormon, doctrine & covenants, pearl of great price, and there many different false prophets, and false teachers, go along those lines, sometimes saying things that are true, and sometimes saying false things. You can speak to them about the many teachings I have said, they many go against there teachings. I am expounding scripture, through God's Spirit. This will help, you can mention the DNA, of the native Americans, they I believe about 97% come from east Asia, China, Japan, and all east asian places. They are not the DNA of the tribes of Israel. You can show the meaning of the true Sabbath, the no need for tithe anymore, the different teachings which are supposed to be fulfilled Matthew 5:33-37, James 5:12, the mormon believers definately do oaths. The understanding of predestination, the understanding of Matthew 23:8-11, Matthew 12:46-50, Mark 3:31-34, Luke 8:18-23, you could show them 1 Cor. 10:16; 11:17-32, which speaks of the body of Christ, and His blood, in the natural is the bread, and the wine, and/or juice, but Christ did not say this represents my body, and blood, He said this is my body, and blood, we do not need to go into how that is, we can just let Him say what He said, and believe what He said, You could show them the rebuking scriptures, examples 2 Cor. 7:10, James 5:16, James 5:19-20, Jude 22-23, 1 Cor. 5:11, Gal. 6:1, 2 Thes. 3:6, 2 Thes. 3:14-15. You could explain to them that they are right people can be perfect in Christ, James 3:2, Revelation 14:1-5, You could show them that women wearing veils is commanded not just in their temples, but also any time a women prays or prophesies 1 Cor. 11:1-16, you could show them 1 Peter 3:1-6, 1 Tim. 2:9-15 which says women should not wear jewelry, no fancy cloths, no fancy hair. Some of their women wear jewelry, so this would be a teaching they are not used to. You could show them 1 Corinthians 14:34-37, you could mention the N.T. never allows physical violence, and give scripture to prove that, because they believe they can do physical violence in some circumstances. You could show them a good understanding of The Word was God, that means He came from God, and that we are made in God's image, and since that is true, The Father, had The Word in Him, and The Holy Spirit, and they were Him, while being with Him, and yet then they separated from Him, not because God did physical intercourse, but because wanted to fulfill His will, and save all people. You could show them, there is no woman spirit as they claim, but they most of the time do not believe in The Scriptures. You could show them, about the understanding of speaking in different tongues, in Isaiah 28:11-12, 1 Cor. 14:21, 1 Cor. 13:1, 1 Corinthians 14, that not all tongues are tongues of men, but also there are tongues which we speak which we do not understand. You could show them Acts 2 An immersion in the Holy Spirit can come to people in Prayer. Acts 8:16 A person can be immersed in The Holy Spirit before they are baptized. They believe no one can receive God's Spirit until after they are baptized, then someone has to lay hands upon them in order for them to be immersed in The Holy Spirit, as we can see this can be a true way, but is not the only way. They believe there way is the only way, yet the scriptures show their way to receive the Holy Spirit is not the only way. You can share with them about Romans 14:9, if they do not repent, and believe in the gospel they will be among the dead of Christ, and will be saved, yet go through fire. 1 Cor. I think chapter two. Also we can do the different teachings of the Older Testaments through Christ. These are some teachings you could talk about. You could talk about the understandings in Acts 15:29, but most eat blood anyways. You could show them the teachings about Christ being in them, but they say Christ does not go in you, that is a sectarian notion, they do not know The Spirit of God, The Spirit of The Christ. Is The One God, who came out of The One God. John 15:26; 16:28. I pray you would be lead, by The Spirit of The Father, in Jesus Christ's name, Amayn, Amen.

[Guest Joshua]

I say that because the Joseph Smith translation of the bible, changes many things, adds, and subtracts, and changes meanings, of the eternal Word.

Are you sure about this? When I studied with some Mormon elders several years ago, they used a regular KJV. I followed along in my own KJV Bible, and I didn't see anything different.

Edited May 14, 2004 by Joshua

[stevehut]

Acts 8:16 A person can be immersed in The Holy Spirit before they are baptized.

Hmmm...

Acts 8

14When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. 15When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

Doesn't look like it to me.

[AllforJesustheLord]

It sounds like you do not know what the mormon believers teach, I have been searching for God since I was about 17, I have been to many places, I know they use the KJV, but also, they have the Joseph Smith translation, they will try to tell you they believe in the bible, but their own statement of faith, says as long as it is translated correctly, they do not believe in the Masoretic Hebrew Text that is used to make the KJV, in the Older Testaments, they change many things, and they do not believe in alot of different things in the N.T. also. Many changes happen.

[AllforJesustheLord]

Ups I am sorry about not useing the correct scripture I will have to get that for you, or you could look it up, if not I will get it, and post the correct scripture here. Sorry, may His grace in Jesus Christ be all ours.

[AllforJesustheLord]

The scripture I am speaking about is when Peter went to the Gentiles in Acts, and the Gentiles received the Holy Spirit, and then Peter said, something like, who can stop them from being baptized, I think that is around Acts 10:48.

[Guest Strservant]

That was a blessing to read, livingsacrifice.

<< the Lord said that we r held accountable for getting His Word out, but once we do tell someone bout it, then its there turn to fall through wit it. >>

Can you or someone else teach me the scriptural backing for this? I want to stand in faith upon it.

Sanctification,

I have used the example many times of Jesus feeding the 5000. Jesus told His Apostles to disperse the food to the crowd. Their job was to offer the food to the crowd not force them to eat. It is our job as Christians to offer the Bread of Life to those who need Him, however, we cannot force them to accept Him they must do so out of their own free will. I hope this helps.

Respectfully,

Strservant

[AllforJesustheLord]

The most important part is to be lead by God's Spirit, if you can do what the apostles did, when Christ sent them out, and the apostle Paul did that once in Acts, shaking the dust off his feet, and being free from the blood of the disobedient ones then that is great, but before you do that to much, make sure you are doing exactly what God wants you to do, being blameless, and make sure you have all the understandings of The New Testament, and make sure God by His Spirit wants you to do that. If you look at one of the 4 Gospels, you can see the sent ones had power to remit sins, or retain sins. When a person has a forgiving heart, even the heart of Jesus Christ, they are lead by God's Spirit, and they will do what He wants them to do, so if you pray for a time a discipline on someone, and God did not want you to do that. You will be judged according to the judgement you judge with, and/or God will not do what you are asking, and/or God may allow satan to do things to accomplish the evil, and/or anyone doing that could get in bondage with an evil spirit, and/or more then one evil spirit. So the teaching is we are not to judge anymore, rather we die, and Christ Jesus lives inside of us, and He does the judging inside of us.