Works / Faith in the Believer

[EricH]

Why is it that cardcaptor is being continuely attacked by everyone,O yeah,because he is trying to explain the truth to you.

Whose attacking him?

Agreed. We are disagreeing with his position. We believe it is biblically incorrect

[EricH]

Why is it that cardcaptor is being continuely attacked by everyone,O yeah,because he is trying to explain the truth to you.

Whose attacking him?

Agreed. We are disagreeing with his position. We believe it is biblically incorrect

I wish there were more like him that would #1 understand the truth and #2 stand for it.

Everyone believes their position to be correct, and wishes others would see it

[Guest Biblicist]

What we believe to be true does not matter. What God's Word teaches does.

2 Timothy 2

15 Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth.

16 Avoid worthless, foolish talk that only leads to more godless behavior.

17 This kind of talk spreads like cancer, as in the case of Hymenaeus and Philetus.

18 They have left the path of truth, claiming that the resurrection of the dead has already occurred; in this way, they have turned some people away from the faith.

19 But God

[EricH]

Cain produced a sacrifice not acceptable, not pleasing to God. That was his invention of producing a work which he thought would be well pleasing and acceptable to God. It came solely from his flesh - even though he certainly must have thought that his work would be pleasing to God. Anything that comes from our invention, whether that is a "good work" in the sight of man or even that which we consider is "good work" for God's kingdom - is worthless to God for the advancement of His kingdom.

Genesis 4

2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.

Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil.

3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD.

4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering,

5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.

6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?

7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."

Cain had a bad attitude...

The works a Christian is called to do is doing the will of God. They are not of man's inventions or of self, but to the obedience to the Gospel of Christ.

Able did the work correctly in the manner in which God wanted and Cain did it his own way.

And Abel's offering was characterized by faith. The key term is "fat portions". Fat was a valuable commodity in a culture prone to famine. When Abel gave God the very thing that his life depended on, it demonstrated his faith. No one is arguing that faith and works are not related. Genuine saving faith produces works. But the works are a byproduct of faith. It is the faith that saves and produces the works. Abel's saving faith enables him to offer the "fat portion". Your position simply distorts the biblical relationship between the 2

[Ovedya]

And Abel's offering was characterized by faith. The key term is "fat portions". Fat was a valuable commodity in a culture prone to famine. When Abel gave God the very thing that his life depended on, it demonstrated his faith. No one is arguing that faith and works are not related. Genuine saving faith produces works. But the works are a byproduct of faith. It is the faith that saves and produces the works. Abel's saving faith enables him to offer the "fat portion". Your position simply distorts the biblical relationship between the 2

[Vickilynn]

Everyone believes their position to be correct, and wishes others would see it

[Guest]

BY FAITH

Able Offered A More Excellent Sacrifice

"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh." Hebrews 11:4

So Believe And Confess

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10

BY WORK?

Able did the work correctly in the manner in which God wanted and Cain did it his own way.

Believe God

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." John 3:16-17

Or Not

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18

He That Comes To God Must Believe

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Hebrews 11:6

By Grace Are We Saved

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:8

Not By Pride Nor By Bragging No Works

"Not of works, lest any man should boast " Ephesians 2:9

For We Are HIS Workmanship And It Is HIS Good Works That We'll Walk In

"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Ephesians 2:10

Upheld By The Word Of HIS Power Because HE Had By Himself Purged Our Sins

"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" Hebrews 1:2-3

Your Works Or HIS Work

Choose Today And Choose Wisely

"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." Joshua 24:15

Merry Christmas

And Be blessed Beloved Of The LORD

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Guest Biblicist]

What we believe to be true does not matter. What God's Word teaches does.

I wish that people would not just say that but mean it.

That would be something, wouldn't it?

[Guest Biblicist]

Jeremiah 17

7 "But blessed are those who trust in the LORD and have made the LORD their hope and confidence.

8 They shall be like trees planted like a riverbank, with roots that reach deep into the water. Such trees are not bothered by the heat or worried by long months of drought. Their leaves stay green, and they go right on producing delicious fruit.

9 The human heart is most deceitful and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?

10 But I know! I the LORD, search all hearts and examine secret motives. I give all peole their due rewards, according to what their actions deserve."

[Vickilynn]

Third, I have read here many times where people have plainly stated that faith and works are not related.

Shalom CC,

Not in THIS thread. Please, don't bring in arguments that have not been raised. In fact, I, as the OP, refuted that false allegation when you threw it, so please drop it, as it does not relate to this topic.

Answer me this - Will a faith without the works as laid in in James save a Christian?

CC, you don't seem to understand. Ephesians 2 states that it is a GIFT of G-D, NOT OF WORKS. And that our salvation is Dependant upon our faith, not our works. James is NOT talking about salvation, he is talking about effectiveness. Please, read the wonderful study that Bib has shared.

The answer is, James is not speaking of salvation by works, but the effectiveness of our works on this Earth. We are saved by FAITH, according to G-d's grace, it is a gift, not a result of works. That is the Biblical truth you keep ignoring.