txpaleo Posted April 7, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 25 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/11/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2004 I'm going to write out a description of an animal based on the Biblical description but I'm going to leave out the name. However I'm sure many of you will recognize the passage. Give your thoughts on what you think it is and don't give me what the Bible may tell you it is. Base your thoughts on the description only. K..here it goes. ....I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the workds of God, yet his Maker can approach him with his sword. .............when the river rages he is not alarmed; he is secure, though the Jordan should surge against his mouth. Give your thoughts what you think they are talking about here. I'll be interested in your responses. God Bless Steve Baird www.bairdclan.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted April 9, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,798 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2004 Whenever I read this passage in Job, I think of a brachiosaur (brontosaurus). Although according to modern paleontology brachiosaurs did not eat grass, the Lord made everything within a few days, and they would just as easily eat grass as anything else. One species of brachiosaur is the largest dinosaur known, either ultrasaurus or supersaurus (I cant remember which of the recent discoveries is the largest). Early on in my Christian life, when I still beleived in evolution, I tried hard to see this as an elephant, or anything else, but I cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bread_of_Life Posted April 17, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/24/1981 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Only one tiny problem with this interpretation. Brachiosaurs, that is any member or relative of the dinosaur genus Brachiosaurus, lived 150 million to 130 million years ago from the Late Jurassic to the Early Cretaceous Period, about 129 million years before man ever even reached the river Jordan. Indeed, this is before Jordan (or its rivers) ever even existed. Here is a map of the world at the time: http://www.scotese.com/late1.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 17, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,983 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 17, 2004 Only one tiny problem with this interpretation. Brachiosaurs, that is any member or relative of the dinosaur genus Brachiosaurus, lived 150 million to 130 million years ago from the Late Jurassic to the Early Cretaceous Period, about 129 million years before man ever even reached the river Jordan. Indeed, this is before Jordan (or its rivers) ever even existed. Here is a map of the world at the time: http://www.scotese.com/late1.htm ScientificAtheist you havd a point, however your point uses a different form of faith than we use as christians. Very fiew if any scientific theories that we have slowly considered fact, are. To get to the understanding that they lived 130 million years ago you have to take by faith that time (speed of light) is constant. People are working on this now and it is not definate that the speed of light (or time flow) has been constant. Some believe that time is slowing down. A lot of hard science is not so hard these days. We'll just have to wait and see how things work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymba22 Posted April 17, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/14/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/06/1967 Share Posted April 17, 2004 In one of the many bible versions i've got it says its head is as tall as a mature tree...i'll go along with a herbivour dino of somesort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bread_of_Life Posted April 17, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/24/1981 Share Posted April 17, 2004 To get to the understanding that they lived 130 million years ago you have to take by faith that time (speed of light) is constant. How so? Firstly, we have measured the speed of light to be invariant and isotropic (the same everywhere and in any frame). Secondly the speed of light has not varied one iota since we first measured it. I have heard theories that it may have been different in the past (by past, I mean 13 billion years, at the time of the big bang, not 6,000), and changed as the universe expanded, however, that would not explain the fact that we have rocks and fossils in those rocks dating back 4.2 billion years (3.7 for rocks with fossils) - nor would it explain that the fossils we find on earth are in chronological order. In other words, the simplest explanation for the evidence we find is not that time has relativistically shifted significantly in earth's past, but rather that the earth is actually 5 billion years old, and that life is actually 3.7 billion years old. Also, just in case you bring it up, decay rates have not changed significantly either, and do not vary significantly under extreme pressure and temperature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Hippopotamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 17, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,983 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 17, 2004 Hippopotamus A really big one...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catsmeow Posted April 17, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 439 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 7,315 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 356 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/21/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 17, 2004 He ranks first among the workds of God, yet his Maker can approach him with his sword. .............when the river rages he is not alarmed; he is secure, though the Jordan should surge against his mouth. Could we be talking about 2 separate animals. I figured this description describes the alligator or croc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LCPGUY Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Could we be talking about 2 separate animals. I figured this description describes the alligator or croc. Yup! But a very big one :x: John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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