WN: Marijuana vending machines open in California - London Telegraph

[Guest yod]

"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"

well that does seem to have happened to its supporters on these boards

[Guest]

Since things seem to be getting interesting on this thread, I thought I toss something else in that I forgot in my earlier post.

First is that it seems the whole "medical marijuana" issue is an attempt in the end to fully legalize it.

Second, Paul talks about being filled with the Spirit. We're to walk in the Spirit, not the flesh. That wasn't the state of my life before Jesus. The drugs had control. The whole issue to me is the same thing that Paul said. All things may be lawful, but all things are not expedient.

Recreational drugs are not a choice any believer should make. I don't want to be stoned, high, toasted, roasted, whacked, or any of that any more because of what Christ did for me. I'd much rather have a relationship with Christ -- in the end He is the One we all will answer to.

[followerofjesus]

What does the bible say about drugs?

May I have some scripture because it's such a problem in our world today.

Asside from the fact that it's sinful to break the laws of your city, nothing.

The only reason I can see for not indulging in illegal drugs is simply because they are illegal. God sets law makers and laws in place for our protection. I trust Him.

Abortion is legal does that mean its ok too? How does this law protect us?

[followerofjesus]

What does the bible say about drugs?

May I have some scripture because it's such a problem in our world today.

Asside from the fact that it's sinful to break the laws of your city, nothing.

The only reason I can see for not indulging in illegal drugs is simply because they are illegal. God sets law makers and laws in place for our protection. I trust Him.

Abortion is legal does that mean its ok too? How does this law protect us?

Alcohol kills more Americans than anything. Alcoholics should not be given a free pass. 80% of criminals had been drinking prio to a crime according to statistics. The alcoholics in Washington will never change. Its contradictory to serve drinks all night in a bar and send people home plastered then charge them with drunk driving and manslaughter. Its a double standard.

[JustinM]

quote forrestkc: "You always rant against totalitarianism, well if what you are advocating is not totalitarianism then I don't know what is."

Since when did enforcing the laws that already exist advocate totalitarianism? By your logic, anyone that enforces laws or rules or manners (acceptable public/societal behavior) is a tyrant. That was a very irrational thing to say.

quote forrestkc: "Justin, are you living a bubble? Probably half the working class backbone of this nation smokes pot."

I may be living in a bubble, since no one in my and my wife's immediate family, (which is part of the working class) smokes marijuana.

I really don't care if half the population is smoking marijuana, that means that the other half probably has to work harder to make up for the potheads symptomatic lack of ambition.

You may have a lot of friends that smoke marijuana, well none of my friends do, of course they are service members, but you get the point. Maybe you need to find new friends, since it seems you are willing to sell out every Christian value you can think of to make your liberal friends happy.

I would love to see the peer reviewed research that says that half of all Americans smoke marijuana.

[JustinM]

On the "always rant against totalitarianism" comment:

Yes, I believe the Federal Government has too much power, that is something we can all agree on. Making it difficult for my fellow americans to become addicted to toxic substances is a good thing. Smoke marijuana all you want, but be ready to accept the consequences if you get caught. Having rules and laws isn't totalitarianism, because believe it or not, there are many people that like rules, they are comfortable with them, because the rules/laws were made to protect them from the anarchists/criminals that don't want to live harmoniously with the rest of the law abiding citizens.

Local power is a completely different issue. If Boston wants homosexual marriages, then let it have it. But, don't expect me to support any constitutional ammendment that woud allow the Federal Government to mandate that all homosexuals should be allowed to marry. (This is an example of the kind of authority I am not willing to accept.)

I don't want to be oppressed by Washington D.C. I want my community leaders to live within my reach, so I can know where they live and keep them under control. I am sure a career politician would better serve his constituents interests, if he knew that they all knew where he sleeps at night. More power should be given to the local governments and less power should be given to the Federal Government.

Frankly, legalized marijuana isn't a Federal issue and I don't want it to be. Gay marriage, local issue, Abortion, Federal issue, because I believe the sanctity of life should be a shared national interest.

I recommend people read Lamentations, it will tell you just how God feels about hedonism and paganism. You will also see how He feels about child sacrifice. It will also show you what is in store for us, if we continue to arrogantly thumb our noses at God. He doesn't think twice about wiping a people/nation/kingdom off the face of the Earth.

Abortion: Child Sacrifice.

There's no other way to define the term. Sure, use pseudonyms if you wish, but the bottom and most basic truth to abortion is that (child sacrifice). A person is giving up a child's life for personal (self) interests, not the child's. They are sacrificing the child's life for whatever reason. In my book (The Bible), no reason will ever justify child sacrifice.

I got off the subject, sorry. Bottom line, how does marijuana benefit our nation? 50% of our nation does not have cancer, or chronic pain, so what is the benefit of smoking that weed?

Hedonism.

Marijuana advocates, Christian and non-Christian alike are advocating hedonism, self worship. Hedonism is paganism, yet some people are cool with that.

modified for clarity.

[nebula]

I would love to see the peer reviewed research that says that half of all Americans smoke marijuana.

Yeah, I was wondering about that one, too.

... but the bottom and most basic truth to abortion is that. A person is giving up a child's life for personal interests, not the child's.

And thus evil begets evil.

Well spoken.

[forrestkc]

quote forrestkc: "You always rant against totalitarianism, well if what you are advocating is not totalitarianism then I don't know what is."

Since when did enforcing the laws that already exist advocate totalitarianism? By your logic, anyone that enforces laws or rules or manners (acceptable public/societal behavior) is a tyrant. That was a very irrational thing to say.

quote forrestkc: "Justin, are you living a bubble? Probably half the working class backbone of this nation smokes pot."

I may be living in a bubble, since no one in my and my wife's immediate family, (which is part of the working class) smokes marijuana.

I really don't care if half the population is smoking marijuana, that means that the other half probably has to work harder to make up for the potheads symptomatic lack of ambition.

You may have a lot of friends that smoke marijuana, well none of my friends do, of course they are service members, but you get the point. Maybe you need to find new friends, since it seems you are willing to sell out every Christian value you can think of to make your liberal friends happy.

I would love to see the peer reviewed research that says that half of all Americans smoke marijuana.

I never said half of all Americans smoke marijuana, I said probably half of blue collar America either does or has. I don't have a bunch of pothead friends either. Or if they are, I don't know about it. My point is that for you tell someone what they can or cannot do to their own body is as totalitarian as it gets.

What we should do is decriminalize marijuana and then take the resources used for combating it and put them to combating drug usage that actually is a societal problem like Meth, Ecstasy, and Crack.

[Guest yod]

What we should do is decriminalize marijuana and then take the resources used for combating it and put them to combating drug usage that actually is a societal problem like Meth, Ecstasy, and Crack.

why?

wouldn't it also be totalitarian to say people can't destroy themselves with crack? At some point, our personal destructive tendancies affect others...like a drunk driver....or a father who is too stoned to hold a job...or a mother who is too wasted to care for an infant.

Should there be any limitations to what a society can tolerate? And if the majority of that society decides for the common good of all, is that necessarily totalitarian?

[JustinM]

What we should do is decriminalize marijuana and then take the resources used for combating it and put them to combating drug usage that actually is a societal problem like Meth, Ecstasy, and Crack.

why?

wouldn't it also be totalitarian to say people can't destroy themselves with crack? At some point, our personal destructive tendancies affect others...like a drunk driver....or a father who is too stoned to hold a job...or a mother who is too wasted to care for an infant.

Should there be any limitations to what a society can tolerate? And if the majority of that society decides for the common good of all, is that necessarily totalitarian?

That was the point I was trying to make, but forrestkc won't even concede that it makes sense, or that it is in society's best interests to remain sober minded.

Forget Christianity and God's commands to keep our bodies Holy, His will is only secondary to Ours.