dgolvach Posted January 29, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 110 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,254 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2008 Suppose you all alone on a deserted island but had the capability to build robots. You built many of them and put them in two catagories. One group you programmed to adore you, serve you and constantly sing about how wonderful you are. The other group you programmed with needs and desires and most importantly the ability to choose to love you or reject you. The first group is 100% guarenteed to serve you with absolute obedience to your commands and you have total ownership of all of them. These robots are as if not more beauitful as the free will group. The second free will group has blemishes and defects because they make their own choices that are not always what the factory intended them for. Many of them rejected you but some of them chose to love and serve you with the option they themselves had full ownership of because you relenqueshed ownership of their choice. They chose you because they met you and fell in love realizing that you could met their needs and desires. OK would you say that the freewill robots had a special opportunity to relate to you that the 100% guarenteed satisfaction robots did not have? Out of all of the robots, which group would you value the most? Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afal Posted January 29, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,249 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/12/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2008 To be programmed to love is not love at all. Love is when there is free will. To choose to love is much better than to be programmed to do so. Therefore, I would value the ones that chose to love me more than the ones that were forced to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgolvach Posted January 29, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 110 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,254 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 To be programmed to love is not love at all. Love is when there is free will. To choose to love is much better than to be programmed to do so. Therefore, I would value the ones that chose to love me more than the ones that were forced to do so. Even with all of their blemishes and defects? Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afal Posted January 29, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,249 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/12/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2008 Even with all of their blemishes and defects? Dan Yes definitely!!! I can relate to this a bit as a teacher. I would not want to tell the children that they had to love me, but when they choose to love their teacher - well, that is something very special! Now I know that the children are not perfect and can be naughty etc - but when they choose to love their teacher and show respect etc - Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted January 29, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.56 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2008 I would value both, because they were fulfilling the purpose for which I created them. What would it say about me if I created something a certain way, then did not appreciate my own creation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afal Posted January 29, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,249 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/12/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2008 If Mr T had to love me, it wouldn't be real love and I would not really value it at all. The fact that he chooses to love me makes his love for me very special. :laugh: :laugh: I really can not value forced love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted January 29, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.56 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2008 Of course trying to transfer these concepts onto God and how He loves us is impossible, because God does not love as we love and loves unconditionally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted January 30, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.07 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted January 30, 2008 Very thought provoking, dgolvach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted January 30, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.19 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 30, 2008 Suppose you all alone on a deserted island but had the capability to build robots. You built many of them and put them in two catagories. One group you programmed to adore you, serve you and constantly sing about how wonderful you are. The other group you programmed with needs and desires and most importantly the ability to choose to love you or reject you. The first group is 100% guarenteed to serve you with absolute obedience to your commands and you have total ownership of all of them. These robots are as if not more beauitful as the free will group. The second free will group has blemishes and defects because they make their own choices that are not always what the factory intended them for. Many of them rejected you but some of them chose to love and serve you with the option they themselves had full ownership of because you relenqueshed ownership of their choice. They chose you because they met you and fell in love realizing that you could met their needs and desires. OK would you say that the freewill robots had a special opportunity to relate to you that the 100% guarenteed satisfaction robots did not have? Out of all of the robots, which group would you value the most? Dan To play along, the second. Only because I'd have to figure out how a robot could make a human decision. That would keep me busy until someone rescued me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavinder Posted January 30, 2008 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 7 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/30/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted January 30, 2008 Neither, their faults and blemishes reflect my faults as a creator and it would be hypocritical of me to value one group more than the other. Love loses its meaning if it forced, can one experience true love without knowing what hate feels like? "Only he who has experienced ultimate despair can feel ultimate bliss" and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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