obama declares i pray to jesus not allah.

[Dog House Bill]

Well praise God i dont vote. (I'm going to before the claws come out)

that was funny, ruck! and yes, run you should. no claws from me, tho. in fact, i don't get the "if you don't vote you have no right to complain" bit. every American citizen has a right to complain whether they vote or not. you lose out if you don't vote. but it's privelege you lose out on--not voice.

We agree on most things, but I have to take issue with this one. If you have not taken part in the process, you have no right to complain about, or question the outcome. If one does not exercise their right to vote, which, I might add, came at a pretty high price, then they have no footing to stand on to complain about their leadership.

Thank-You, from the 30 Marines who died during peace time to ensure ALL had the right to vote. As I am a veteran of the Marines, I also claim the right to ask, "Why not? What else did they need to give so you would vote?" Freedom isn't just paid for at the Revolution, it is paid for every day whether there is a war going on or not. In my eyes, and theirs, you have slapped us all in the face by commenting on how things are going now. Your complaints are baseless and empty, and insulting to them.

The right to vote. It is not madated. I also have a right to carry a gun..it is not mandated. I dont carry a gun...do I have to be quiet when crime happens.

Also, please show me what I am complaining about?

You have the right to not have a voice, if that is what you really want. I have the right to question the validity of your comments based on your wish to allow ungodly practices to go on without even the attempt by you to vote against them. Every voice DOES count.

What makes my comments not valid. What comments do I make. Please show me where I am complaining...this is what you have accused me of. I wish to allow ungoldy practices I dont vote. Wow!!

No Vote, No validity. Obama is in office due to those that think like you do. Now we are even more morally corrupt and less a Democracy. Obama's legislation is pure socialistic and is now at $11 trillion. Bush's deficit was only at $3 trillion, and that was because the dems pushed things through. Your vote, and those of them who also didn't vote, could have prevented this calamity. Therefore, by not voting, you have furthered the cause of this obviously non-Christian president that is also obviously in favor of a pure socialistic society.

[Dog House Bill]

i think not voting is, yes, a slap in the face to those who provide the freedom we have to do that very thing. i think it's irresponsible and unpatriotic, and i don't hold a lot of (if any) respect for people who do not vote. however, the right to speak out against government is a right given to every American citizen--whether they vote or not. are there other rights you want to take away from people who do not vote? it can go dangerously farther, you know.

Yes, I want them all taken away, and I know just the man for the job.

Oh wait, he's already doing the job.

I am not saying that makes anyone less of a citizen, and yes they still have the same rights to complain as anyone else who does not like the way things are going, but let me put it this way. If they don't care enough to exercise their right to vote in the first place and be part of the process they are railing against, their protests ring pretty hollow. . .

And this is my point as well. no validity.

[Dog House Bill]

Look up the definition of "Complain", then see if all this, commenting, you've been touting doesn't fit the definition. However, people do have the right not to vote, but choices have consequences, had every one voted that disliked Obama, he would have lost. But because McCain is a moderate, many extreme right wing people refused to vote.

[MorningGlory]

i would like to add I am also a vetern. I served my country. As a matter of fact, I still serve my country since I work for the government.

Okay, I have to throw my two cents in here. Ruck, thanks to you and everyone who serves in the military. I used to think 'wow, how can one NOT vote?'. Well, that was before this last election. For over a year I looked and listened and did this because I didn't like ANYONE who was running on either side! I had almost made up my mind to sit 2008 out when Govenor Palin joined the GOP ticket. She is the ONLY reason I voted so, yes, I DO understand why you didn't vote. The choices are few and lousy and there's little difference between the one who won and the one who lost. So everyone needs to stop beating up on those who feel they don't have a candidate to vote FOR anymore. All of you should understand the state of politics in the U.S., a.k.a. the Republocrats.

[nebula]

Again...i'm failing to see the difference between a drunk driver killing someone, and a woman having an abortion. A lose of life has occured..due to sin.

1. You don't know the difference between manslaughter and murder?

2. To say that premarital sex led to an abortion is a false premise. The premarital sex led to preganancy.

3. Abortion is not a consequence. It is an act in and of itself.

[oldzimm]

Well I'm back and it looks like I missed a lot and I'm tired so I'm not going to be staying on, I'll be back tomorrow. Before I leave ruck I'm going to ask you to show me in the Bible that the death talked about in the "wages of sin is death" is not a spiritual death.

I will still stand my ground when I say that abortion is nothing but two people not taking responsibility for their actions and they commit murder. Like you I put twenty years in the Military (Army, OIF1) and as you should know a man must take responsibility for his own actions, that was drilled into me one NCO school after another.

You don't have to vote, but if you don't "shame on you". You really appreciate the right to vote when you see people who never had that right before, as I seen in the Iraqi's. It really pains me when my brother's blood is drying in the sand for our freedom and somebody can't take an hour out of their day, two times a year to vote, I think that is dishonorable. If you were in the military, then you know what I'm saying is true.

Edited May 7, 2009 by oldzimm

[Guest shiloh357]

Again...i'm failing to see the difference between a drunk driver killing someone, and a woman having an abortion. A loss of life has occured..due to sin.

1. You don't know the difference between manslaughter and murder?

2. To say that premarital sex led to an abortion is a false premise. The premarital sex led to preganancy.

3. Abortion is not a consequence. It is an act in and of itself.

1. I didn't know that the Bible said ...thou shall not commit manslaughter. This is how we get caught up. We slam our Bibles open showing ...thou shall not kill...when it comes to abortion. But, as my example shows, men view killing on two different planes. Either we call it what it is or we make it what we want...we cant have it both ways. Just as there was a downgrade in this hypothetical loss of life in my example...people have downgraded the loss of life that happens from an abortion.

2. How is abortion not a result of premaritial sex? Often premarital sex leads to preganancy, and the preganancy leads to abortion. What is false about that?

3. I do agree that abortion is an act in itself, but it is also a result of other things.

An intelligent person can draw a moral distinction between an accidental killing and genuine murder. A drunk driver is not purposefully out to kill anyone.

Murder (which is what the Bible commands against) is the intentional, wanton act of taking an innocent human life. Abortion falls under the category of murder. Unlike drunk driving deaths which are not itended, Abortion is intentional.

You are simply committing intellectual suicide by ignoring the obvious moral distinctions.

[nChrist]

I'd like to comment on a few things from a Biblical perspective and a legal and historical perspective if you live in America. The Truth won't go away, regardless of how hard many people try to bury it. However, I wouldn't compare anything to God's Word that we all know will endure forever. I mention God's Word in this context because our forefathers put God and God's Word first. I'm not hinting that they were perfect, but they did try pretty hard, and courageous men and women of every generation since the founding have fought, bled, and died for what they founded.

It gives me great pleasure to know that our forefathers honored God and His Word. The historical records still exist in mountains of evidence that just won't go away. God, God's Word, and Prayer to God were very public things that were the norm for over 200 years. There are mountains of examples, but I just want to mention a few and state there is hard and overwhelming evidence for all of them:

America was founded as a Christian nation - by Christians - and for Christians. The historical evidence still exists in the Library of Congress and many other places. It used to be presented in the text books used to teach our children. It was not normal or permissible to push a specific Christian denomination, but it was normal for Christianity to be highly visible in everything public that was done.

There was a time when you had to be a Christian to hold any public office at any level of government, and that included school teachers, law enforcement officers, politicians, etc., etc. This practice was eventually stopped - first at the Federal level - and then at the State and Local level. But, the fact and evidence remains that public officials were expected to be Christians. Written or expressed in law or not - the same is true today.

Many of our laws at all levels cited Scriptures from the Bible as the authority for that law. This was especially true for the most serious offenses.

Congress dictated the first printing of the Bible in America, and the Bibles were to be used in public schools. The Holy Bible and Isaac Watts Hymnal were two primary teaching texts in public schools for almost 200 years (long before 1776). Thomas Jefferson was also the Superintendent for public schools in Washington, D.C. during a term as President. One of his actions was to place the Holy Bible in the School System.

There is no irony at all that all of our older public buildings are prominently marked with the things of God and honor to God. This includes the chambers of the current Supreme Court with the Ten Comandments prominently displayed. It's also true that most of our public buildings were used for church services, and that remained true for many years.

Prayer by public officials was expected as the norm, and it still is - even though these quite normal practices are under attack. All of the things of God have been under constant attack for over 50 years in America, but the history of the truth remains. Separation of Church and State is a modern lie and myth. It has been distorted and twisted so badly that modern interpretations don't resemble the founding documents, their intentions, and hundreds of years of open practice. Thomas Jefferson is the one who was credited with the modern interpretation of Separation of Church and State. If Thomas Jefferson lived today, he would be ready to fight another revolutionary war. After all, Thomas Jefferson placed Bibles in the Washington, D.C. school system as primary teaching texts. Denominations weren't to be mandated by the Federal Government, and this is what was twisted to what we hear today.

God has already answered the big debates of today, and He did it in ways that can't be misunderstood. God hasn't changed, and God's Word will endure forever. There is no debate on abortion, gay rights, gay marriage, and many other things. It hasn't been long ago that all of these things were illegal under man's laws because man fashioned laws using the Holy Bible. As an example, alternative sexual behavior was a felony in every state just a few short years ago. This is a fact that just won't go away. God called it an abomination, and it was a death penalty offense in the Old Testament. The only change in the New Testament is that God no longer commanded they be stoned to death. This is one of the things that changed after Jesus Christ paid it all on the Cross. However, numerous portions of the New Testament refer to the abomination in the same way, so there is no debate. The same is true for there being no debate on abortion. God owns life, not the woman who carried the life that belongs to Him. Trying to confuse this with death penalty offenses won't work because the baby isn't guilty of any offense - not has the baby been tried in a court under man's laws of committing any offense. Bluntly, the baby belongs to God, and it's murder to kill the baby. These are among the reasons why evil mankind wants to silence Christians and God's Word. They are a stumbling block for evil men, and it just isn't convenient for anyone to be condemning evil behavior. Regardless, the judgment has already been made by God, and the condemnation stands.

We are watching our leaders turn our country further away from God. In fact, many of our leaders are turning their backs on God completely. As Christians, our part hasn't changed and won't. We are to continue in all things for the Lord for the remainder of our days in this short life. We should be praying for our leaders every day, especially as our leaders yield to evil instead of God. As Christians, it's of NO importance what is politically correct or popular - rather what God has already directed. We should know beyond any doubt that we shouldn't call evil good or good evil. God will continue to give us opportunities to serve Him, and we should never neglect those opportunities. We must know that silence many times amounts to calling evil good, so we should be praying that God gives us strength, courage, and guidance to do His Will for every hour we have left in this short life. Above all, Christians should remember that our Citizenship is in Heaven - not this world. So, we should never deny Christ, His Ways, and the guiding of the Holy Spirit. Our desire should be to do God's Will, regardless of danger or popularity.

We have work to do for God, and that work hasn't changed. Please see the next post.

nChrist

[nChrist]

I want to share the below portions of Scripture because they contain some of our highest priorities for God. I read them this morning as a reminder for myself, and I hope that all Christians spend quality time with God and His Word numerous times every day. Let us consider what is a reasonable service to Him.

Romans 3:10-31 as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one; 11 There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after God; 12 They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable; There is none that doeth good, no, not, so much as one: 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; With their tongues they have used deceit: The poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways; 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it speaketh to them that are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God: 20 because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for through the law cometh the knowledge of sin. 21 But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.

Ephesians 2:1-10 And you did he make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins, 2 wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience; 3 among whom we also all once lived in the lust of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest: - 4 but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), 6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus: 7 that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus: 8 for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not of works, that no man should glory. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them.

Ephesians 3:8-21 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, was this grace given, to preach unto the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 and to make all men see what is the dispensation of the mystery which for ages hath been hid in God who created all things; 10 to the intent that now unto the principalities and the powers in the heavenly places might be made known through the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 in whom we have boldness and access in confidence through our faith in him. 13 Wherefore I ask that ye may not faint at my tribulations for you, which are your glory. 14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, 16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, that ye may be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man; 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; to the end that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be strong to apprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of Christ which passeth knowledge, that ye may be filled unto all the fulness of God. 20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21 unto him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus unto all generations for ever and ever. Amen.

nChrist

[oldzimm]

Well I'm back and didn't have my coffee as of yet, I will make a post then I will solve that problem.(I smell it perking now). Old Ruck I trust you had A good nights rest, now did you find where the death the bible talks about isn't spiritual death? I'm not one of these guys that can quote you verse after verse in the Bible ( that's something I must work on) but the verse itself in Romans 6:23 pretty much is self explanatory, then with the help of Revelations 20:14&15 explains that spiritual death.

Physical death,...........lets see there is natural death, death by accident and justifiable homicide in which there is no wrongful death. Then we have murder, premeditated murder and manslaughter which will get you some time behind bars or worst. I wonder what abortion falls under.........BINGO, premeditated murder. Now Ruck since we were a part of that BIG GREEN KILLING MACHINE for twenty plus years, what kind of death were we dishing out? You know the kinds of deaths that will keep playing over and over in our heads until the day we start pushing up flowers. Have a good day!