Women Pastors

[exrockstar]

Hello Honeybee,

I come with all humility and I have a desire to know God's word and His word only as the truth. I believe that there is a vast difference in what God ordained in a relationship as the man being the head of his wife and Christians (male or female) roles in the church today. When 1 Timothy is quoted as being an ordinance for the Body of Christ on how the church should be put in order, my gaurders come up because Paul was writing to Timothy (chapter 1:2) some advise on some questions he had to paul. These letters to Timothy were not addressed to the church like other Epistles are. we do know that Paul, in these two books, is responding to something Timothy said or asked unless Paul was just shooting from the hip and speeking something randomly which I doubt was the case. Communications go two ways, not just one way. Have you ever gotten a letter from your pastor on instructions on something totaly random that you have had no communications about?

I do believe that we can learn from the books of timothy and yes take it as the word of God, but when interpreting the bible we have to know the history of what was going on back then, who it is addressed to and who are the people involved, where is this taking place, when did this take place, etc... All of this stuff is pertinate to rightly dividing God's Word (2 Tim. 2:15). Threre are a lot of things in the bible that if not interpreted correctly, they would lead people in great error...for instince: Does the fact that both the OT and NT provide guidelines for slaves mean that the bible condones slavery? Should we put out a fleece before God (as Gideon did) when we need direction? Since David and Solomon had more than one wife, is it OK for us to have multiple wives as well? Should we greet one another with a holy physical kiss? Should we hate our parents (Luke 14:26)? If we have a problem with lust, should we gouge our eyes out? If we have a problem with our hands, should we amputate them? Should Women keep silent in the church today?

I would encourage you to study the history of the situation that Timothy was in and why Paul was speaking these things to Timothy. And I would also ask you to excersise some humility and ask God to open your eyes to the truth of all of this. I would also ask for at least three verses in the epistles to the church that say that we shouldn't have any women in authority. God spoke this in my heart this morning. "Jeff, if I had two people to choose from to send [yes even God is limited to who he can send because of peoples choice to disobey Him] to a particular nation to be the head of a minsitry that would preach the Word to many and get many saved, and those two people were a male and a female...if I choose the male and he decided not to obey me, would I just let this nation suffer and watch all of them go to hell because I refuse to send the woman because supposedly I won't allow women to be in authority? NO, I would send the woman." Take it as it is...women are vessles of the Lord just as much as men are vessles. I don't say all of this to attack you...I want the truth to be heard just as much as you do. After all, we are family...we serve the same God and We do agree on one thing for sure...He is King and the ONLY Wise God in whom we should all put our trust. amen.

In Love,

J

so let me get this right? you think your hearing a voice talk to you and you have scripture in black and white.

somehow this "voice" overpowers the black and white letters in a book called the bible?

of coarse youre going to be praised by members that "feel" the same way you do. In letters it can say "a man..." but

here comes someone that says "God told my heart otherwise...." and the people find a reason to bend the rules.

The world loves those that live by rules of the world.

Chrisitianity is more than a simple "renewing of the mind (Romans 12:2)" of not doing bad things any longer.

The "renewing of the mind..." is a total overhaul of your worldy perception.

When you say women CAN be pastors the world loves you.

If you say women CANNOT be pastors the world looks down on you.

[jehovah Nissi]

women are vessles of the Lord just as much as men are vessles.

Amen, and are you aware that men and women do not need to serve the same roles in order to both be vessels of the Lord?

I guess I don't know were you're going with this.

[exrockstar]

im going to add a line that i know many will reject and not budge.

I will let scripture speak on it's own.

while some are "debating" the interpretation of 1 Timothy 3.

Line 14 says:

14 Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions so that, 15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

so go ahead corner this scripture to Timothy and his issue. But this

line says to "God's household, the church of the living God..."

It' doesn't say "this pertains ONLY to your church Timothy..." This line

extends to ALL churches that identify themselves as a household of God.

[EricH]

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