Death Toll

[mikeinsarasota]

4000 American lives wasted.

4,000 American lives valiantly and unselfishly given for freedom and the security of our great nation.

How is my freedom in jeopardy with relation to iraq???

[Ovedya]

4000 American lives wasted.

4,000 American lives valiantly and unselfishly given for freedom and the security of our great nation.

How is my freedom in jeopardy with relation to iraq???

I wrote, "...given for freedom..."

[The Lorax]

So that begs the question: By what measure do you judge whether or not our government and military leaders "waste"?

When personnel from soldiers to generals concede that a war was a mistake from the beginning, and that mistake cost lives, then those lives were wasted.

That is, unfortunately, the truth of the Iraq War. Even the CIA admits that the war has made our nation and the world LESS safe.

When 4,000 American lives are spent to make the America and the world LESS safe, those lives were wasted.

[Guest LadyC]

when "everyone" from soldiers to generals concede that? well good, then it hasn't met your criteria for being a waste then, because not "everyone" from soldiers to generals feel that way. there are just as many, and probably MORE, military people at every rank who feel the exact opposite.

and the world IS more safe. there lives weren't wasted. and if they could hear you saying that they were, those dead troops would probably roll over in their graves because of it. THEY believed in what they were doing, even if you don't. and they gave their lives for what they believed in. that is never a waste.

[The Lorax]

when "everyone" from soldiers to generals concede that? well good, then it hasn't met your criteria for being a waste then, because not "everyone" from soldiers to generals feel that way. there are just as many, and probably MORE, military people at every rank who feel the exact opposite.

Poor phrasing on my part. Should read, when "military personnel from soldiers to generals." Edited.

and the world IS more safe.

Which should I believe: LadyC's opinion or the official reports by the CIA?

there lives weren't wasted. and if they could hear you saying that they were, those dead troops would probably roll over in their graves because of it. THEY believed in what they were doing, even if you don't. and they gave their lives for what they believed in. that is never a waste.

The thought of wasted life is so tragic that it is hard to bear. But when you die fighting for a cause that was misguided, in a war that was wrong, then your life has been squandered. It was not squandered by you--you were honorably serving your country--but by the liars and the crooks who planned, pushed for, and started the war. This truth is so tragic, repulsive, and enraging that it is hard to face.

I wish you could talk to my friends who have been to Iraq, LadyC. Most of what I believe about Iraq comes from them. My friend Jay, who worked artillery and is now a sergeant, said to me, "Ask any soldier in Iraq why we are there, and they can't tell you."

[redwing]

lorax my brother,

"official reports of the cia", surely you jest. a civilian will never see official reports of the co.

with all due respect for your friends, i talk to my family members who are serving in iraq.

(1) nephew army( people are real friendly, not like you see or hear about on and in the news.) 2 tours in iraq.

(1) nephew marines 3 tours "i'm here because i'm a marine, the people want me here.i'll be here as long as it

takes. most people are very warm and friendly.those that are not--------------well i'm a marine".

god bless all our service men and women.

[kat8585]

[The thought of wasted life is so tragic that it is hard to bear.

This from the man who supports a candidate who supports wasting lives in the womb.

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America, bless God

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[The Lorax]

[The thought of wasted life is so tragic that it is hard to bear.

This from the man who supports a candidate who supports wasting lives in the womb.

Don't slander me. I don't support wasting lives in the womb.

Btw, kat, if you've been wondering why I've been ignoring your posts lately, it is because of lines like this. Clearly you don't know what my position is on abortion and you haven't even made an effort to learn what it is. Maybe you forgot, but a couple weeks ago you were demanding that I explain my views, and now that I have, you can't even be bothered to read them. Unbelievable.

[Guest LadyC]

when "everyone" from soldiers to generals concede that? well good, then it hasn't met your criteria for being a waste then, because not "everyone" from soldiers to generals feel that way. there are just as many, and probably MORE, military people at every rank who feel the exact opposite.

Poor phrasing on my part. Should read, when "military personnel from soldiers to generals." Edited.

and the world IS more safe.

Which should I believe: LadyC's opinion or the official reports by the CIA?

there lives weren't wasted. and if they could hear you saying that they were, those dead troops would probably roll over in their graves because of it. THEY believed in what they were doing, even if you don't. and they gave their lives for what they believed in. that is never a waste.

The thought of wasted life is so tragic that it is hard to bear. But when you die fighting for a cause that was misguided, in a war that was wrong, then your life has been squandered. It was not squandered by you--you were honorably serving your country--but by the liars and the crooks who planned, pushed for, and started the war. This truth is so tragic, repulsive, and enraging that it is hard to face.

I wish you could talk to my friends who have been to Iraq, LadyC. Most of what I believe about Iraq comes from them. My friend Jay, who worked artillery and is now a sergeant, said to me, "Ask any soldier in Iraq why we are there, and they can't tell you."

the fact that there has been no repeat of 9/11, the fact that iraqis no longer live under a brutal dictatorship fearing every moment of their lives, is what i believe, lorax. you can believe what you want.

i don't need to talk to your friends who have been there. in case you missed it earlier, my daughter has served in iraq. my son-in-law is serving there now for the second time. i've spent a lot of time hanging out at camp pendleton because of my kid and her husband, so i've heard more first-hand opinions about iraq than your friends have given, from people of all ranks who have been there.