Juda heaven or hell?

[Jacqueline]

Before Jesus died on the cross he said father forgive them. Was Juda included in

that or is he burning in hell as we speak?

God Bless

Jacqueline

[Ovedya]

Ah....Jesus was of the tribe of Juda. What exactly do you mean?

[Jacqueline]

I'm sorry I meant Judas. :x:

God Bless

Jacqueline

[godrulz]

Judas was a son of perdition. He exhibited remorse, not repentance in the end. He killed himself. It appears he died in a sinful state. Jesus' statement was not a blanket universalism (perhaps forgive some for the act they were not fully aware of what doing, not for a lifetime of sins; if they individually did not repent and trust Christ, any of them would still perish).

[Guest Called]

I think Jesus was probably referring to the people who were beating/mocking/crucifying him. They didn't know they were killing the Son of God and it was all in God's plan.

[BobTriez]

The New Testament does not tell us in so many words that any particular person is in hell. But several statements about Judas can hardly be interpreted otherwise. Jesus says that he has kept all those whom the Father has given him except the son of perdition (John 17:12). At another point Jesus calls Judas a devil (John 6:70), and yet again says of him:

[Rick]

Hi all!

I once had the same questions about Judas. I searched and found many of the same scriptures that have been posted here concerning him. There's a thread located here somewhere that addressed the same issue.

In trying to understand Judas's fate, I too read where he was called the son of perdition.

" Jn:17:12: While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."

I found that the title is again mentioned at a later time. Verse 10 in the following scriptures, reveals the condition of the son of perdition.

" 3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5: Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6: And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7: For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8: And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

In addition, The names of the Apostles are given in Matt. 10:2.

" 2: Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

3: Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

4: Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him ( 12 apostles).

I think what provided me with the most insight into Juda's fate was in reading that Matthias replaced Judas as an apostle. If Judas were yet considered an apostle that would have increased the number of apostles from 12 to 13. Since the death of an apostle did not change their title.

" 23: And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

24: And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

25: That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

26: And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles." ( Making Matthias the 12th apostle, replacing Judas.)

We are told later the number of the Apostles again. Notice that the number of the apostles named in the foundations in the following verse is 12 and not 13.

" Rv:21:14: And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

This number mentions only 12 apostles and not 13. This would indicate that Judas was not numbered among them. Since he had by transgression fell, or that Matthias was not numbered with the twelve. The latter would be in contradiction to him being selected to replace Judas as an apostle, after Judas fell, and being numbered with the pre-existing eleven apostles.

" Lk:22:3: Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."

" Acts:1:25: That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place."

The use of " his own place" refers to a place prepared specifically for him. It is possible that this place is the same place prepared for the devil and his angels.

Hope this helps.

Rick

[Guest ReflectionsofHim]

I believe there were 7 suicides mentioned in the Bible. In any number or event, God's Word is silent about what happened to any of their souls. There is a reason for this that I think it is obvious as to why. But, as for me, my heart was sorrowed for Judas. It took him no time to realize that what he'd done in betraying Jesus was wrong and a huge mistake. He recognized quite quickly that he was wrong and wanted to return the gold and set the record straight. I don't think we will any of us know what happened to his soul until we are in the Kingdom. One thing is without a doubt, certain, and cannot be debated...Jesus loved him...He probably loved him especially.

That's my 2 cents...o.k. 3, but who's counting?

Love to you through our Jesus,

Reflections