Prophets

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings God-man,

I believe that history has a tendency to replay itself over and over again. I believe a wise man once said:

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Todays adage is: Those who forget the past are bound to repeat it.

I say these things because I believe much of what was prophesied in the OT has already been fulfilled. We see a couple types of future prophesies given in all of scripture - the "short term" view and the "long term" view. The further out the "vision" is given, the more cryptic and symbolic it becomes. We see in Daniel that he was given both type visions. The short term which I believe pointed to the cross and the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem, and this vision was pretty plainly laid out. But we also see the long term view as the big stone that came up and shattered the mountain. Very cryptic or symbolic.

We also see Daniel being told to "seal up the vision", meaning that he saw things which were not to be revealed at that time. HOWEVER, with John the Revelator, we see the SEALS being opened and God once again giving both short term (the churches) visions to John, as well as long term (the remainder of history, but including from the cross forward). The visions of the churches is NOT cryptic, but starting with chapter 4 of Revelation, we start seeing heavily symbolized images.

There is also a time of the "seven thunders", where John is ALSO told to seal up the vision. I believe whatever that SEAL covers, will be opened up when that day arises to the prophets that have "ears to hear".

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[eve]

From Dad Ernie:

...You state that there is NO need for subsequent prophets, other than Jesus. Well, what do you think the Apostles were? What do you think the two witnesses are in Revelation?

...I believe that history has a tendency to replay itself over and over again. I believe a wise man once said:

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Todays adage is: Those who forget the past are bound to repeat it.

I say these things because I believe much of what was prophesied in the OT has already been fulfilled. We see a couple types of future prophesies given in all of scripture - the "short term" view and the "long term" view. The further out the "vision" is given, the more cryptic and symbolic it becomes. We see in Daniel that he was given both type visions. The short term which I believe pointed to the cross and the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem, and this vision was pretty plainly laid out. But we also see the long term view as the big stone that came up and shattered the mountain. Very cryptic or symbolic.

We also see Daniel being told to "seal up the vision", meaning that he saw things which were not to be revealed at that time. HOWEVER, with John the Revelator, we see the SEALS being opened and God once again giving both short term (the churches) visions to John, as well as long term (the remainder of history, but including from the cross forward). The visions of the churches is NOT cryptic, but starting with chapter 4 of Revelation, we start seeing heavily symbolized images.

There is also a time of the "seven thunders", where John is ALSO told to seal up the vision. I believe whatever that SEAL covers, will be opened up when that day arises to the prophets that have "ears to hear"...

Dad E, you put it well.  :thumb:

[Timothy]

I was just pointing out that even if I would agree with that being the case, the same Holy Spirit baptism came upon the Samaritian believers-not when they became Christians but at a later date.

Did the Samaritans become believers before or after Christ's ascension and the arrival of the Holy Ghost (as promised) at Pentecost? We don't really know, do we?

[Guest shilou]

Hi guys

I have a suggestion here for anyone doubting the existence of prophets. Ask God, He will answer you. Too often people who have had deep experiences with the Holy Spirit keep quiet about it because of all th skepticism out there. People tend to not believe what has not happened to them. As I have stated before I had a hard time believing in tongues. God sort of shook me up on this and rattled my cage so to speak. At this point I have never spoke in tongues but I do believe in them and I definitely believe in prophets because for a short time I knew things I could have never known other then God putting them in my head. Clean out the intellect and go to the Lord in petition and prayer and sincerely mean it and He will not let you down. I have another suggestion also, sometimes I have to fast from these boards because I can get so caught up in my own intellect and knowledge of the scriptures that I rely less on God to feed me.

Love in Yeshua

Shilou

[byHisGrace]

Timothy,

Why in the world would you even consider that the Samaritians baptism came before the birth of the church at Pentecost?

[Timothy]

Thank you for your response BHG.

God bless you.

[Guest Waldans Mountain]

OK

Ill take the other side

I think prophets and prophecying are 2 separate things

I think there are no more prophets!! Not really, just not sure,i havent really looked into it.

LUKE 16  [16] The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.[17] And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.[18] Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

the prophets were until John

HEBREWS 1  [1] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son

In any case, the next 3 scriptures tell ya to be very wary of false prophets.

JER.23 [20] The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.[21] I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.[25] I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.[26] How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;[27] Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

MATT.15 .[14] Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

EZEK.14  9] And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.[10] And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him;

Just simply read what the bible says and believe it. There are many who have come in the name of Christ who will try to tell you it doesnt mean what it says.

[Guest]

Waldan Mountains,

OK

Ill take the other side

I think prophets and prophecying are 2 separate things

I think there are no more prophets!! Not really, just not sure,i havent really looked into it.

I think if you study the matter you will find that to prophecy in the name of the Lord one would have to be a prophet.

[Guest Waldans Mountain]

Hi Bible reader

Like i said i have not really studied this. Really no need to. The bible does interpret the bible if you look hard enough.

Isaiah 30 [9] That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

[10] Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

[11] Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.

[12] Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:

We all know the HOLY ONE is Jesus. In the above passage HE speaks of prophets that will not here HIS law. I take the WORD by what it says. So if i hear anyone calling themselves a prophet and yet do not keep GODS 10 commandments i will not pay any attention to them. That includes HIS sabbath. Some will then claim Jesus abolished the law and they will try include the 10 commandments in this. HE did nail the law contained within the ordinances to the cross. But thats it.

[byHisGrace]

Waldons Mountian, how do you keep the Sabbath?  Are you a 7th Day Adventist?  Or a completed Jew?