Larry 2 Posted September 21, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 205 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2008 If you have a brat kid like that, just train them that they can do what they want to and just possibly Wrench Guy can be there to do the work you should have. Are you inferring that I have kids like that? Who me? I certainly hope not, there are enough of them running around now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted September 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2008 If you have a brat kid like that, just train them that they can do what they want to and just possibly Wrench Guy can be there to do the work you should have. Are you inferring that I have kids like that? Who me? I certainly hope not, there are enough of them running around now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biblicist Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 I'm 6'3" @ 280lbs...I would have done the same thing to the kid because it was warranted. Why? A guy your size can't handle a little girl's rage without a taser? How absurd. Until someone does it to one of YOUR kids, if you have any, you can talk anything. How would you suggest an adult man "handle" a little girls rage when the child is punching, pushing, spitting, and shoving desks and chairs around? If a female police officer and teachers couldn't "talk her down" the only other alternative is physical restraint. No grown man in his right mind would try to restrain a young girl, or woman, in America anymore. It's suicide. I just told my daughter the situation and asked her what she would do. Wrenchy you'll appreciate this. Her answer, "I"d knock her out." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Matthew 12 34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 I'm 6'3" @ 280lbs...I would have done the same thing to the kid because it was warranted. Why? A guy your size can't handle a little girl's rage without a taser? How absurd. Until someone does it to one of YOUR kids, if you have any, you can talk anything. You are intentionally missing the point. A 6'3" 280lb guy would potentially cause alot more pain, and likelihood of death fighting with the girl than the taser ever could. You are simply not accepting the VERY rational logic in this case. Nobody "wants" to use a taser on a kid...but it is by far the safest option in that scenario. Given the options ANY caring, loving, rational parent would want their child dealt with in the safest, least likely to cause injury, manner possible. Be so kind as to NOT tell me what my intentions are......when I hear some 'rational logic' on this issue I will be sure to consider it. So far, you have failed to address the very real issue of how dangerous other methods of subduing person is compared to the taser to both the officer and the person being subdued. If a police officer opted not to tase a an unruly child or teenager and rather chose to subue them by physical force and the child or teenager was physically injured in the altercation, the officer could potentially lose his job and be prosecuted. The taser significantly limits that from happening. A friend of mine in law enforcement has told me more than once that he has to walk a tight rope when it comes to subuing a criminal and neutralizing a threat while at the same time not violating the criminal's rights in the process, AND still has to be aware of any peripheral issues like the safety of any bystanders and stuff. I mean, he often has to think fast, and he only has a split second to make the right decision. It's not like he has the ability to stop and weigh all the pros and cons particularly if the safety of innocent bystanders is part of the equation. They have to make the best decision for that particular situation. This deputy made the right decision for the situation and even though she was bleeding from being punched, she did not resort to physical violence but made a decision that ensured the the safety of the unruly student and everyone else involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biblicist Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Not that I want to do the job of the Mods, for I believe they have a great deal of disgression. But I think this thread has played itself out. Why are we trying to convince people that actions taken in a situation we were not involved in, and really have NOTHING to do with us whatsoever, were right or wrong? Since none of us were there, nor are we privy to the inside information that the people involved are, we can not accurately asses the situation, and simply speculate. All it's doing is causing discord and division among the Saints. Some harsh words have been said, and some accusations have been made. Maybe it's time to take a step back and put this thread on the back burner. 2 Timothy 2:23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry 2 Posted September 21, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 205 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2008 name='man' date='Sep 20 2008, 08:29 PM' post='1257479'] Matthew 12 What a disgusting exhibition this whole thread has been. I'm really sort of taken back by what I'm sure is your honest opinion, and wonder why you feel this way. Let's say the child continued punching, would there be any restraint you would recommend thus taking away her ability to continue in that manner? How would you have handled it? I do know an 11 year old kid with a black belt in karate and I guarantee you that you don't want to be punched or kicked in the face by him. In Jesus' name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs Posted September 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 45 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,081 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2008 Morning, you are doing an excellent job of missing the point that children are rebellious because they are sinners! Depraved just like the adults in our society and capable of the same evil. I agree that many children are abused or neglected but that is not every case. Even if a child is a spoiled brat from how they were raised they are still held accountable for their actions and will be punished for them. Regardless of how she got to that point this child was WAY out of line and knew better. She was rebellious, willful, violent, disrespectful, and out of control. Consequences should follow. Well then I guess you would be okay with someone using a taser on YOUR child (I'm willing to bet you wouldn't be.) Your comment about children being sinners is ludicrous; she isn't OLD ENOUGH to be accountable or to be treated like a convicted felon. Maybe YOU missed this part.... "I believe she should have been restrained but even wild animals are usually caught in a snare; not zapped with electricity. Did you miss the part about a taser being a potential cause of death in some people? That's why I mentioned the 'portable rubber room' for minors. It doesn't exist...but it should." You don't get a child to learn or change by hitting them with a painful and potentially lethal weapon. Look to kids that are beaten severely while growing up and note the pattern of criminality and cruelty that manifests as they grow older. (And, no, I'm NOT saying ALL of them.) They learn quickly that the biggest and most brutal gets the cookies. If you had read my first post you would have seen that I didnt think using a taser was the best idea since she was small. My problem with your posts was the fact you put all the blame for her actions on outside sources and that is inaccurate and unBiblical. If I had a child and she dared to rebell against authority and have the nerve to strike a police officer, I would tell her she got what she deserved. I would also give her a sound spanking at home. Kids need consequences or they grow up to be wild, uncontrollable, and a danger to society. How dare you equate being zapped with Taser, and someone beating their child.That is an absolutely different scenario. Children are humans and are capable of sin. They must be held accoutable for it. She is DEFINITELY old enough to be held accountable for her sin. Are you joking?? Is there some magic age you have to reach, before you can be punished for your sin? No one treated her like a felon, if they had she'd have been thrown in jail and charged with assault. You are definitely overreacting and placing all the blame on the adults instead of the child herself. "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction will drive it far from him." How dare you equate being zapped with Taser, and someone beating their child. How dare I???? Have you decided that I shouldn't???? Undue force, whatever the means, is what it is. Try a rational approach to the pros and cons of using this kind of force on anyone other than a dangerous criminal instead of your feeble attempt at bluster. Morning you ignored everything I said in both my first post, and in my replies to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted September 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2008 MorningGlory...first off, I wasn't offended. In fact, your kennel jab actually made me laugh...so no worries over here! Truthfully, I didn't WANT to offend.....I am offended by all the posters who insist they would be just fine with one of their kids being brought down by a taser. I believe, if it actually happened, they would break speed records getting to a lawyer. Much to your chagrin, I am in fact in a position of authority. We don't do 'chagrin' in Texas; it's called 'gettin' it stuck in your craw'. Anyway, if you're okay with shooting kids with voltage, I will pray for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted September 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2008 Morning you ignored everything I said in both my first post, and in my replies to you. Yeah, I'm good at that. Especially when I realize that the person replying to me is not open to a different point of view. Btw, it's 'Glory'.....morning is when I wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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