RGR Posted June 22, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Brad, I'm not one that is given to arguing over the dating of the Bible, but let's look at facts: Christ died circa AD 30. That would have given a short time span of less than 40 years for the entire New Testament to have been written. This seems a bit hard to swallow. To back up this view, I turn to the commentary in my NIV Study Bible: Revelation was written when Christians were entering a time of persecution...most scholars date the book circa AD 95... So a book not even possibly written until around AD 100 was fulfilled BEFOREHAND in AD 70? A student believing that would have been to the famous Jethro Bodine School of Mathematics (2+2=5). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 22, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,260 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,988 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 22, 2004 Isaiah chapter 17 prophesies that the city of damascus will be destroyed. All the history that I can find tells me that it has been an enhabited city for over 3500 years and has never been destroyed. Is there something I'm missing here or is this at least one thing prophesied in the bible that has not been fulfilled? Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 22, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,260 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,988 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 22, 2004 Jerusalem was Babylon and was also called Sodom and Egypt in Rev.11. The order was phsical. The early Church was warned to flee Jerusalem when they saw the Roman armies surrounding their city. Jerusalem was at war with the Beast Rome for three and a half years. The Christains left and were saved from the wrath of God as Jesus came in the clouds of judgment that came upon Jerusalem in 70 AD. It was Jerusalem that Jesus said was guilty of all the blood shed from Abel in Matt.23. Rev.18 says Babylon shed all the blood of the prophets and saints. Jerusalem was called the Great City and so was Babylon called the Great City. All futurist will disagree with this on this site so why I'm I posting this? It's because most of the Church has been missing it concerning eschatology and it has caused them not to have faith in the fulfillment of scripture of where we are in Christ. If you are speaking of the Babylon of the book of Revelation chapter 17, it reads to me as being destroyed perminately and never recovering. Jerusalem was destroyed but has been rebuilt and the babylon of Revelation will never be enhabited again, and thus to me could not be Jerusalem. Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 well dawgonnit other one....we're trying to have an arguement here. How dare you bring common sense into this discussion?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted June 23, 2004 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Yup, yod, that's a foul. Blow the whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted June 23, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 527 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 18 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/22/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2004 Jerusalem was Babylon and was also called Sodom and Egypt in Rev.11. The order was phsical. The early Church was warned to flee Jerusalem when they saw the Roman armies surrounding their city. Jerusalem was at war with the Beast Rome for three and a half years. The Christains left and were saved from the wrath of God as Jesus came in the clouds of judgment that came upon Jerusalem in 70 AD. It was Jerusalem that Jesus said was guilty of all the blood shed from Abel in Matt.23. Rev.18 says Babylon shed all the blood of the prophets and saints. Jerusalem was called the Great City and so was Babylon called the Great City. All futurist will disagree with this on this site so why I'm I posting this? It's because most of the Church has been missing it concerning eschatology and it has caused them not to have faith in the fulfillment of scripture of where we are in Christ. If you are speaking of the Babylon of the book of Revelation chapter 17, it reads to me as being destroyed perminately and never recovering. Jerusalem was destroyed but has been rebuilt and the babylon of Revelation will never be enhabited again, and thus to me could not be Jerusalem. Sam Other One I have a question for you. What city is this text of scripture referring to? Revelations 11 The Witnesses Killed 7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted June 23, 2004 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Hey Brad, dont you know outside of which city, Christ was crucified? eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted June 23, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 527 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 18 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/22/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2004 Hey Brad, dont you know outside of which city, Christ was crucified? eric I know it was out side of the gates, but what great city is Rev. 11:8 speaking of? I want to know what city you think it is so that we can speak of the same place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted June 23, 2004 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted June 23, 2004 (edited) Brad read verse 2 of the same chapter, that might give you a clue or a hint of which city Revelation is talking about. Better yet get a Recovery Version of the NT and read the study notes on the whole chapter. Edited June 23, 2004 by eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGR Posted June 23, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Brad, Please answer my question-if, as many scholars believe, Revelation was written in AD 95, how did it find it's fulfillment in AD 70? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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