Why can Satan never be redeemed?

[Guest man]

What caused Eve to take a bite out of that fruit?

her free will.

why do you thnk it was Satan?

Wasn't it the serpent that talked her into eating the fruit?

all Satan is doing is acting on her free-will. But Satan is not sin.

Sin is an attitude.

Where does that attitude come from?

[exrockstar]

Where does that attitude come from?

sin is an attitude?

i think i'll pass on this conversation.

thanks for the chat.

[Guest man]

Where does that attitude come from?

sin is an attitude?

i think i'll pass on this conversation.

thanks for the chat.

So what is your definition of sin?

If satan is out of the picture, what is it that causes someone to sin?

[exrockstar]

Where does that attitude come from?

sin is an attitude?

i think i'll pass on this conversation.

thanks for the chat.

So what is your definition of sin?

If satan is out of the picture, what is it that causes someone to sin?

the free-will that is embeded in you.

Romans 7:

15For I do not understand my own actions. For(T) I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.

16Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with(U) the law, that it is good.

So now(V) it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

18For I know that nothing good dwells(W) in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.

19(X) For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.

20Now if I do what I do not want,(Y) it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

[Guest man]

Where does that attitude come from?

sin is an attitude?

i think i'll pass on this conversation.

thanks for the chat.

So what is your definition of sin?

If satan is out of the picture, what is it that causes someone to sin?

the free-will that is embeded in you.

So it is the "free will" that causes someone to sin and not satan?..............Interesting.

So then, what is the purpose of satan being here?

If satan isn't the cause of sin, why are we warned to guard against him?

[exrockstar]

So it is the "free will" that causes someone to sin and not satan?..............Interesting.

So then, what is the purpose of satan being here?

If satan isn't the cause of sin, why are we warned to guard against him?

you do know that Satan is a fallen angel right?

you do know he is not omnipotent? Satan is not at all places at all times. That is an attribute of God.

[LilyPotter]

Oy. So many things have come up here since my last post, I don't know what to address.

First, I thought the whole point of why there are humans is so that we can have a loving and chosen relationship with God. That God cannot/does not have this relationship with any other aspect of His Creation. Animals don't provide this, because they don't behave according to relationship; they behave according to instinct. Angels don't provide this, because they behave according to purpose - God tells them what to do or gives them a job and that is what they are meant to do. They can't have a "loving" relationship with God, because they just do what He instructs - no free will involved.

To me, it doesn't make sense that Angels have free will, because if they do, they can choose wrongly and to choose wrongly is sin and to sin is unholiness and if they are unholy, they cannot be in the presence of God. (Whew!) Heaven may tend to be empty by now.

Second, I tend to think like exrockstar is saying. I believe we sin because it is one choice we can make. Not because Satan "makes" us. I also do not describe sin as "an attitude" and don't really even know what could be meant by that. Sin is missing the mark. It is less than the best. I do think Satan may tempt, but it is still a choice we can make.

[Guest man]

So it is the "free will" that causes someone to sin and not satan?..............Interesting.

So then, what is the purpose of satan being here?

If satan isn't the cause of sin, why are we warned to guard against him?

you do know that Satan is a fallen angel right?

you do know he is not omnipotent? Satan is not at all places at all times. That is an attribute of God.

That doesn't answer the questions.

[exrockstar]

So it is the "free will" that causes someone to sin and not satan?..............Interesting.

So then, what is the purpose of satan being here?

If satan isn't the cause of sin, why are we warned to guard against him?

you do know that Satan is a fallen angel right?

you do know he is not omnipotent? Satan is not at all places at all times. That is an attribute of God.

That doesn't answer the questions.

so post scripture that youre talking about.

[exrockstar]

To me, it doesn't make sense that Angels have free will, because if they do, they can choose wrongly and to choose wrongly is sin and to sin is unholiness and if they are unholy, they cannot be in the presence of God. (Whew!) Heaven may tend to be empty by now.

at least you acknowledge that choosing is a factor that causes sin.

i think man thinks that if Satan is gone that everyone will always choose the right thing.