Why can Satan never be redeemed?

[Guest man]

Second, I tend to think like exrockstar is saying. I believe we sin because it is one choice we can make. Not because Satan "makes" us. I also do not describe sin as "an attitude" and don't really even know what could be meant by that. Sin is missing the mark. It is less than the best. I do think Satan may tempt, but it is still a choice we can make.

Sin is disobedience to the Word.

How did that disobedience come into the world and who caused it?

[Guest man]

Keep in mind that when Satan is gone...there will still be sin.

Do you have a verse for this one?

So it is the "free will" that causes someone to sin and not satan?..............Interesting.

So then, what is the purpose of satan being here?

If satan isn't the cause of sin, why are we warned to guard against him?

you do know that Satan is a fallen angel right?

you do know he is not omnipotent? Satan is not at all places at all times. That is an attribute of God.

That doesn't answer the questions.

so post scripture that youre talking about.

Which one?

And you still haven't answered the questions.

[Guest man]

To me, it doesn't make sense that Angels have free will, because if they do, they can choose wrongly and to choose wrongly is sin and to sin is unholiness and if they are unholy, they cannot be in the presence of God. (Whew!) Heaven may tend to be empty by now.

at least you acknowledge that choosing is a factor that causes sin.

i think man thinks that if Satan is gone that everyone will always choose the right thing.

Give me a verse that states differently.

[exrockstar]

Second, I tend to think like exrockstar is saying. I believe we sin because it is one choice we can make. Not because Satan "makes" us. I also do not describe sin as "an attitude" and don't really even know what could be meant by that. Sin is missing the mark. It is less than the best. I do think Satan may tempt, but it is still a choice we can make.

Sin is disobedience to the Word.

How did that disobedience come into the world and who caused it?

Disobedience was there BEFORE the world was created.

Satan turned on God. So who tempted Satan if it was not his own free-will?

why do you deny that?

[Guest man]

Second, I tend to think like exrockstar is saying. I believe we sin because it is one choice we can make. Not because Satan "makes" us. I also do not describe sin as "an attitude" and don't really even know what could be meant by that. Sin is missing the mark. It is less than the best. I do think Satan may tempt, but it is still a choice we can make.

Sin is disobedience to the Word.

How did that disobedience come into the world and who caused it?

Disobedience was there BEFORE the world was created.

Satan turned on God. So who tempted Satan if it was not his own free-will?

why do you deny that?

I don't deny free will.

Now what?

Disobedience was there BEFORE the world was created.

But "we" weren't.

[LilyPotter]

Sin is disobedience to the Word.

How did that disobedience come into the world and who caused it?

I don't think anyone caused it. I think it is a fact of having the possibility of making one choice or the other. If I sit my four-year-old in the kitchen with the cake I intend to take to the bake sale and say, "Do not touch the cake. It's not for us to eat." and then I leave the room, there are two possibilities that will occur. 1) He'll touch the cake (choose wrong) 2) He will not touch the cake (choose right). If he does touch the cake, though I told him not to, it won't be because Satan is sitting on his shoulder saying, "Touch the cake! Eat a piece! Lick off some icing!" It will be because he used his free will to touch the cake and not to obey my instruction. His desire for the cake superceded his desire to do what he knew was right.

[exrockstar]

Sin is disobedience to the Word.

How did that disobedience come into the world and who caused it?

I don't think anyone caused it. I think it is a fact of having the possibility of making one choice or the other. If I sit my four-year-old in the kitchen with the cake I intend to take to the bake sale and say, "Do not touch the cake. It's not for us to eat." and then I leave the room, there are two possibilities that will occur. 1) He'll touch the cake (choose wrong) 2) He will not touch the cake (choose right). If he does touch the cake, though I told him not to, it won't be because Satan is sitting on his shoulder saying, "Touch the cake! Eat a piece! Lick off some icing!" It will be because he used his free will to touch the cake and not to obey my instruction. His desire for the cake superceded his desire to do what he knew was right.

i had a buddy that was "religious" and he was convinced that his wife cheated on him because Satan made her do it.

i had to pull him to the side and talk scripture with him. *shrugs*

[Guest man]

Sin is disobedience to the Word.

How did that disobedience come into the world and who caused it?

I don't think anyone caused it.

Genesis 3

1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman,

[Guest man]

i had a buddy that was "religious" and he was convinced that his wife cheated on him because Satan made her do it.

i had to pull him to the side and talk scripture with him. *shrugs*

Care to talk scripture with me?

Beginning with the ones I asked for?

[exrockstar]

i had a buddy that was "religious" and he was convinced that his wife cheated on him because Satan made her do it.

i had to pull him to the side and talk scripture with him. *shrugs*

Care to talk scripture with me?

Beginning with the ones I asked for?

the only way i can talk scripture about Satan NOT causing sin is only talking to you about it when man and Satan are not present at the same time.

which means, it's either before man's creation or in the 1000 year reign when Satan is locked up.

You dont want to admit that Satan doesnt need to tempt himself when He turned on God.

I'm not even sure if youre familiar with the 1000 reign.