Futurist

[Brad]

Hey Ronald I know that you are just trying to drive me around in circles.

[RGR]

Hey Ronald I know that you are just trying to drive me around in circles.

No, Brad, I find humor in everything and therefore my reference to Hank, Jr. who used to be a big no-show at his concerts. It's still the same philosophy. If someone hasn't shown, they haven't shown-that's simple. As for the JW connection, that's something VERY valid I would like to hear your opinion on-nothing complicated about that. Thanks in advance.

[Brad]

Hey Ronald I know that you are just trying to drive me around in circles.

No, Brad, I find humor in everything and therefore my reference to Hank, Jr. who used to be a big no-show at his concerts. It's still the same philosophy. If someone hasn't shown, they haven't shown-that's simple. As for the JW connection, that's something VERY valid I would like to hear your opinion on-nothing complicated about that. Thanks in advance.

Let me put it this way. In the Old Testament when God manifested His works did He show up in a physical body? Or if Jesus did not appear in 70 AD where was He when Jerusalem was destroyed? Was He not in the clouds of heaven that received Him according to Acts 1:11. When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD do you not think Jesus was still in those clouds. Would Jesus have been there or was He somewhere else not paying attention. Just what do you think Jesus was doing sitting back and letting the Roman army mess with His people. What is your perspective on this?

I did not see Jesus in 70 AD I was not even born yet. However I see the aftermath with Jesus in His people sharing His glory with us right now. Your probably going to tell me it is impossible for two people to live in the same body according to how you see scripture being fulfilled with the coming of the Lord. :c: :prayer :dove :whistle: :sleep:

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Brad,

I don't even know why I am responding to YOU, but something caught my eye and it just shows how flakey your doctrine is:

Was He not in the clouds of heaven that received Him according to Acts 1:11. When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD do you not think Jesus was still in those clouds.

Acts 2:32-36 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus was NOT sitting in the clouds in 70 A.D. He will remain at the right hand of the Father until He returns and the RESURRECTION occurs.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[WayneB]

Greetings Brad,

I don't even know why I am responding to YOU, but something caught my eye and it just shows how flakey your doctrine is:

Was He not in the clouds of heaven that received Him according to Acts 1:11. When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD do you not think Jesus was still in those clouds.

Acts 2:32-36 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus was NOT sitting in the clouds in 70 A.D. He will remain at the right hand of the Father until He returns and the RESURRECTION occurs.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Well put Dad Ernie!

[Brad]

Greetings Brad,

I don't even know why I am responding to YOU, but something caught my eye and it just shows how flakey your doctrine is:

Was He not in the clouds of heaven that received Him according to Acts 1:11. When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD do you not think Jesus was still in those clouds.

Acts 2:32-36 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus was NOT sitting in the clouds in 70 A.D. He will remain at the right hand of the Father until He returns and the RESURRECTION occurs.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Ernie Dad,

You said my doctrine is flakey because I said Jesus was in the clouds when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. You deny that Jesus was in the clouds whether figuritively or literially by saying what I said was flakey. You are right by saying He was seated at the right hand of the Father in Heaven. But the clouds represent heaven where Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father.

Quote: Jesus was NOT sitting in the clouds in 70 A.D. He will remain at the right hand of the Father until He returns and the RESURRECTION occurs.

Here is proof the the Father is in a cloud

Matthew 17:5

While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!"

How about this one where Jesus is seated on the cloud, was the seat where He was seated at the right hand of the Father?

Revelation 14

Reaping the Earth's Harvest

14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. 15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You[1] to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.

Reaping the Grapes of Wrath

17 Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

If Heaven is not in a cloud then the scripture must be wrong according to your doctrine.

Gen.1

6Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." 7Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

Ernie just out of curiousity what was it that caught your eye and what was the it that showed you how flakey my doctrine is. I would like you to tell me of what Spirit my doctrine is. Is it of the Holy Spirit or a lying spirit from Satan?