Purity

February 20, 2003

I hate it when i do this, but..........

I must edit my last post.

February 24, 2003

Hey wwatch

I can't read everything right now, but tomorrow I will. I'll answer or criticize if I need to and tell you what I think about it.

I didn't keep on reading posts here cause I didn't click on "track this topic". Now I can see some people's response, that's cool, at least some are interested and tried to answer ... thanks everyone, btw

February 25, 2003

Hey Fabrice :thumb:

That's cool. Look forward to your analysis/response. .

wwatch

February 25, 2003

I hate it when i do this, but..........

I must edit my last post.

tsth · February 25, 2003

dear wwatch,

But, taken in context of what Paul is teaching, it is a continuation of his powerful teachings in other letters about the complete and total ability of the cross and resurrection to effect our justification and sanctification from the inside out without the addition of rules and traditions or works to complete it.

February 25, 2003

Hi wwatch

1) You say :

When I was not serving the Lord, I remember nonChristians using it to try to rationalize their sin.

lol ... but that's very true actually !

And also :

Since you asked the question, "Can everything be pure?" , maybe you have heard people use it this way and you thought, perhaps, there was something wrong.

*thinks* I don't think so. It's just that I think too much hehe all the time, questions flow through my mind because I want to understand everything. And btw sometimes I want that flow to stop

2)

We know that it doesn't mean that we can make something that is impure or ungodly right by saying I have pure motives.

That's right, it doesn't depend on our judgment but on God's. And that judgment depends on faith. The only way to pleasure God is to have faith. And we know God loves pure hearts also; we need to make the parallel.

And, notice that the only group that is mentioned by name is the v10 "circumcision." These were legalistic ones who taught that you could only be truly saved and pure by observing lots of religious rules and the law.

Very interesting here. Indeed, and as you tell it lower in your post, uncircumcised do pratices that Jesus doesn't approve cause His blood made it. I guess we have to talk in terms of "curcumcision of the heart". That's what we need to be. Like you say :

It had the effect of reducing the efficacy of the blood of Jesus to cleanse us and purity us

:lightbulb:

This said : the cross, the blood, and resurrection are all related to one word : FAITH. The more we have faith, the more things 'are' pure, for us, in our mind, cause we are not "tempted". Jesus could have seen the worst things with His eyes, but the Spirit that was in Him could be tempted. Impure things are just strangers for Jesus, and can't have effect in Him. But surely impure IS impure in itself, whatever we may think it is or not ... the Spirit says the truth about it. That's why it's only when someones is born again that he can understand what is evil and what is good. Non-christians easily say porn has nothing evil in itself.

but this purity FLOWS OUTWARD from knowing Jesus and "renewing our minds" and "resisting Satan" and "serving righteousness", but we cannot get purity into us by simply following EXTERNAL rules and laws, it has to flow out of a mind and heart cleansed and made pure inside by submission to Jesus as Lord, the washing of the Word, and the sanctification of the Holy Spirit.

Cool brother, I find that very important also. I simply agree with you

Now here's some more of what I think. Let us check out in Philippians 3:12-16 :

"Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained. "

It's the question of the "finality" or AIM we have in our life. In other words : do we know where we are going ?

It's VERY important to know why we life and where we go. We need to know the plan God has for us. Now, "can everything be pure ? " The answer would be : if our aim is Christ ! Only by faith, doing the will of God and His plan.

If that's true in our life it's impossible that things would be impure, for US, in our mind. We don't look everywhere. It's like if we always look FORWARD in our life, and NO TIME for stuff of darkness ! Thus even if we look impure, it cannot be impure for us.

Okay I hope you understood some of what I said hehe

See you wwatch

February 26, 2003

Fabrice,

February 26, 2003

Hi wwatch

hehe yes I see your problem, actually it's my french that made me do this fault. I meant when we watch with our eyes impure things in this world, it cannot be impure for us.

That makes me think also about the armor ... the shield of faith. We are IN the battle and on the battlefield but darts and arrows or how do you call it, cannot get to us. Well I'll stop here with my little metaphors lol

See you later

February 26, 2003

shadow2b.

I am not ignoring your post....just in case you wondered. I appreciated your response and understand your request for clarification about my position on the law.

I am preparing a response, but I am trying to keep it to this disussion specially since there is very good thread, as you know, dedicated to the law under the heading of the "10 commandments."

So, stay tuned. wwatch

AND TSTH, thanks for your input.