Genesis and the age of the Universe

[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

I have 2 specific questions - but thinking a lot off and on about the Age of the Earth/Age of the Universe, Scientific Creationism [www.icr.org] vs Evolutionism and the battle going on. Lot of meanness from both sides and differences within each of the 2 sides: Creationism <-> Evolutionism.

Anyway, i am a disciple of Jesus Christ who has been given the knowledge [not by man] that The Holy Bible [except for minor copyist and translation errors] is the Word of God. So, to me, every word from <Genesis 1:1> to <Revelation 22:21> is precious and to be cherished.

That done. My 2 specific questions:

1. <Genesis 1:20> "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

<Genesis 2:19> "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of he field, and every fowl of the air..."

My first question -FINALLY!-this tells me that the fowl came from the waters in <Genesis 1:20> and fowl came from the ground <Genesis 2:19>. I had a few days ago emails from www.icr.org reiterating that <Genesis 1> and <Genesis 2> describe the same literal 6 day Creation. If anyone can harmonize the source of fowl i would appreciate it. I tend to think the earth/Universe is 6-10thousand years old, but there is much in the Scriptures i am thinking about.

2. <2Peter 2:4,5,6,7> could be considered a chronological ordering of 4 separate events. Angels cast to hell, Noah's Flood, Sodom and Gomorrha destroyed, Lot saved. <Jude 1:6> describing angels not keeping their first estate being reserved in chains sound like more light on the first event of angels being cast into hell. However, since <Jude 1:6> discusses the event of the Exodus, it doesn't sound like Jude is meant to give a chronological ordering.

For the first event, angels cast to hell, when in <Genesis> did this occur? Say <Genesis <1:1> starts at time T=0 [when time was created]. Seems to me plausible that <Genesis 6:2-> could be describing the angels not keeping their first estate like <Jude 1:6> defines. But others have said this could not be describing angels.

Please don't ask why i am asking those 2 specific questions-trying to follow my thinking is probably not what would be edifying. :suspect: I have a bunch of other Scriptures kind of as "balls in the air" in terms of harmonizing ALL Scripture, and answers to these 2 questions would help me a lot, i believe.

Thank you - anyone and everyone - in advance for your time and Godly assistance.

[Ovedya]

Sorry mathetes. I should have kept this thread on. The others were duplicates. Press on!

[Guest A Stone]

The Forward, in G.H. Pember's book, "Earth's Earliest Ages" says this:

The first edition of this remarkabel book was issued in 1876. It was rather before its time, for Spiritualism has not yet gained its subsequent popularity, and by many was still regarded as almost entirely an imposture. But the treatise was shortly found of such eminent value from the Bible point of view that by 1891 it had reached its sixth edition. It was about that year it was put into my hands, to my permanent gain as a student of the Word of God. In 1910 I read it again when in India, in contact with Parsee and Brahmin Theosophists and their books, and was much impressed with the accuracy of its treatment of those occult religions which had their rise in the Orient.

A few portions have been omitted, making room for some explanatory notes and dates, which will be found within square brackets [ ]. In addition to the fresh matter in this Preface, a chapter of Confirmatory Evidence is added, bringing the book up to date, and also, in the Appendix, a full examination of Genesis 6 supports Pember's view that the "sons of God" were angels. The Index of Subjects has been augmented and there is a new index of Persons, Places, and Books. All that Pember wrote remains in his own words, but, where suitable, footnotes have been incorporated in the text. New page headlines are given throughout, to guide the eye in tracing topics."

You may get this book at any Christian book store. You may have to order it.

[Guest Barbben]

I have a non-Christian friend who asked me to explain if people really lived to be hundreds of years old in Old Testament times. They also asked me how time was measured back then. They also asked me what women the sons of Adam and Eve would have procreated with ...their mother Eve....sisters...? Was incest okay in Old Testament times. They say the same could be said of Noah's grandchildren. Anyone got any answers?

[BigJer]

As far as incest goes, it wasn't until Moses that it was considered a 'sin'. At that point, the law made incest sinful. All of those cases you brought up were before Moses.

As far as I know, time was measured the same. Some theorize that the reason they lived so long was because of a more 'pure' blood line, being so close to Abraham.

The bottom line is that you unsaved friend has a desire to discount the truth of scripture so he/she does not have to follow its demands.