The real birth of Jesus

[Jacqueline]

For me as for many others Christmas is a wonderful time. However, I think as Christains we should never forget that Christmas is just one day other of a month per year. We as Christian shouldn't need a day out of the year to celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior, therefore everyday should be Christmas. The gospel is the utmost gift we can give anyone and its ours through Jesus the Christ to give everyday, throughout the year.

God bless you

Jacqueline

[mizzdy]

I agree that ever day should be about Jesus, but Christmas is not just a day, it is a season. It is a time you can get people to listen about Jesus when they wont the rest of the year.

There are so many things going on that will get people in the church that would not come if it was not this season. Then they can hear the Gospel of Christ when they may not have ever heard it before.

Really? Every time I am at a store I hear the oh yea prove Christ was born on this day kinda stuff and of course the crass commercialism attached to it is always an issue to many non-believers who keep hearing Jesus is the reason for the season stuff. I have known a lot of people in my life who only go to church, plays etc this time of the year simply because its suppose to be feel good time of the year. One man I knew in my teens said to me he goes to church only on christmas to show he does believe in a God and his wife wouldn't talk to him until March if he didn't. I have a found talking to non-believers at a less controversial time of the year easier than have to go through the 'ya we know its not but..' arguement with them. I myself do not do christmas but everyone needs to make up their own mind.

[Jacqueline]

Actually if you listen to unsaved people now a days you'll find out for them the birth of Christ has nothing to do with Christmas. This world in a whole is trying to push Christ out of every aspect of society. Before becoming a child of God I as well as my family did go to church on Easter and Christmas. In all the years that I was a part of this yearly visits, no matter how great the sermon it didn't lead me to Christ.

It's not the yearly visit to church that draws people to the saving grace of our Lord. If that was the case I and well as my family and friends would have been saved many years ago. Does that mean that we just let the unbelievers suceed in removing Christ from Christmas, no...no...no... Does it mean that we stop speaking about His birth or inviting them to church on Christmas or Easter? No....no...no... We continue to do that, but we do that throughout the year. As a matter of fact... as I'm thinking about this the Holy Spirit just reminded me that God is the one who draws people to Himself. It's our job to plant seeds every moment we get for we never know when God will use that seed to draw someone to the saving grace of His Son.

God bless you

Jacqueline

[PreciousRubi]

Massorite has put forth evidence directly from the pages of God's Word, pointing toward the 'real' time of Jesus' birth...

Why not ditch the false day and observe the 'truth'?

Because we don

[Massorite]

Massorite has put forth evidence directly from the pages of God's Word, pointing toward the 'real' time of Jesus' birth...

Why not ditch the false day and observe the 'truth'?

Because we don

[Massorite]

Massorite has put forth evidence directly from the pages of God's Word, pointing toward the 'real' time of Jesus' birth...

Why not ditch the false day and observe the 'truth'?

Because we don

[mizzdy]

sounds like an opening to me. How many other times of the year are non-believers openly talking about Jesus?

Didn't say it couldn't be. With the atheist lashing out everywhere I would say most days there are many discussions on the topic of christianity and God.

yes, most of them do it for the wrong reason, but is that not better than them not going at all?

I find it hypocritical of those who only go once or twice a year just because somehow they identify themselves as a christian and it is expected of them. Perhaps it does bring someone closer to God and they repent and turn their life around yet in my experience thats not usually the case.

and we should not judge those that choose other than we do

And I am not judging anyone as I said everyone must make up their own mind about what it is they do and why.

[PreciousRubi]

Did you ever wonder what this prophecy means in Zachariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.?

I have wondered, but I have never come to the conclusion that it was about the birth of Jesus.

What is NOT the truth? The answer is simple.

Man-made christmas is not the truth.

What is not true about it?

Is it the truth that it is the day that many have chosen to celebrate the birth of our Lord.

Is it the truth that those same people acknowledge that we know this is not the exact day that our Lord was born?

Is it the truth that we do not know the exact day that our Lord was born?

Please tell me which of these is not the truth.

They are all true statements.....but that does not make them God's truth....nor does it make christmas acceptable in His sight.

Christmas is man-made and not God appointed.

Which do you choose to follow, God or man?

[Massorite]

There is still spiritual warfare going on and it is a fight for the souls of every living human on earth. That is why in 2 Thessalonians that there is going to be a great falling away. That means that in the future there is going to be a great number of Christians who are going to be deceived and depart from the faith or IE Give up faith in the Jesus we know to day. It is a much bigger picture then just Christ/mass. Pagan ritual and pagan practices in the body of Christ is but a small part of what will bring about the "Great Falling Away" but it is still a part that has been strong enough to convince Christians to reject the word of God and practice pagan rituals anyways. So defeated or not the evil that is satan is consuming the world and when the world become evil enough, Christ will return and take His people out of evil world satan and his ways have brought about.

You know what Cobalt? Out of nearly 500 views there are only 5 or 6 worthy members who object to what I stated enough to shoot it down.

Five or Six who have chosen to reject the word of God out of nearly 500 is actually wonderful.. Because 500 Christians absorbed into their minds the scriptures, factual evidences and just plain truth.

Its not just about Christmas day for me. Christmas day is just one among several. Lent and Easter are next. Then comes Valentine day. It just happens to the Christ/mass season.

My goal is a accomplished here and God has planted many seeds for the future. Because the war against Christ/mass is gaining strength. Last years there was only one or to who agreed with me. This year there several more then last year. I know that just because they didn't speak out that they agreed with me. But I also know that I gave them some food for some very serious thought.

So Praise God For He Is Worthy To Be Praised and I am Lifting Up His Holy Name.

Because of the God Job that He has given me. I get ridiculed and put down and to be honest it makes me feel depressed at times. But you know 500 reviews and only 5 or 6 rejections is its own just reward and I am blessed by those figures. Can't what till next year.

Thank you so much for defending the word of God Rubi for you are Precious

Be Blessed My Brother From Another Mother

It isn't your position that bothers me. It's statements like the one I bolded that should never, ever be made. You equate someone not agreeing with you as "rejecting the word of God." I have in no way rejected the word of God, I have rejected your poor interpretation of it. Jeremiah does not say what you say it says. It never has and never will. Jeremiah is not talking about a Christmas tree, and that has been displayed over and over in thread after thread on this subject, ad nauseum.

You base peoples position with Christ in whether they believe and accept what you tell them, and that is wrong. In the "Oh Pagan Tree" thread you said people who celebrate Christmas and have a tree will go to hell. I reject any interpretation of scripture that is obviously wrong. It does not follow that I reject the word of God, and a statement like the one above is misleading and insulting.

I would not look upon silence by the majority as accepting your view. You don't know a persons view until they tell you what it is. I believe it more likely that old hands here know your adamant stance on this subject, and that no amount of logic and biblical proof, no matter how sound and gently delivered is going to change your mind. I am simply dumb enough to hope that at some point, you will realize your error, and accept the fact that your interpretation of scripture on this issue is flawed. You have overwhelming evidence, but refuse to accept it. I have no wish for you to celebrate Christmas. If you feel it is wrong, and you should not do it, do not do it, but do not expect those of us who know what Jeremiah actually says to simply set on the sidelines in silence when you place your own eisegisis upon the text. It isn't objection to Christmas I have a problem with, it's the mis-handling of scripture that bothers me.

First of all I didn't do the "Oh Pagan Tree" thread. I don't agree with the going to hell part but I do welcome a brother who is also fighting against paganism in the body of Christ.

I am surprised at you cobalt. Making that kind of assumption with virtually no proof I would expect from a young unlearned student of the bible. Some one like running.

It really is quit simple. If you reject the word "Axe" and insist on saying the word really is speaking about a chisel you are rejecting the word that God chose to use in that verse. In doing so the meaning of and what God is trying to command for us not to do is completely changed to something other then what He is talking about. In turn rejecting one single word changes the meaning of not just one verse but several verses. In this case we are talking about 5 verses.

In the case of Running his so called word of God even adds something in there about a scarecrow and a melon patch which is a long way from a palm tree. Not even my Septuagint bible says anything about any scarcrows. It also doesn't use the word Axe or chisel but it does speak of a tree that is cut out of the forest and again, one doesn't cut a tree out of the forest with a chisel.

Changing one single word has much greater consequences then your realizing and it is not just these verses we are talking about here. In all of these newer versions of the bible words and whole verses have been changed.

To say that the word "Axe" is wrong is to say that Mr. Strong is wrong (and according to my Strong's the word ax is speaking of an ax that is used to HEW which in turn means to "cut or chop down") about his research about not just that word but his whole work and it is not just Mr. Strong. It sheds doubt on all of the works of every bible Scholar who ever researched the Hebrew and Greek Manuscripts. It even sheds doubt on the works of the early church leaders who followed the rituals, the feasts commanded by God, the practices set forth by God for His people. But they didn't practice any thing pagan whether it be falling down and worshiping an idol, a tree or the stars. They didn't set up any alters, put any statues in their houses or yards, they didn't attend to any thing that was remotely connected to any kind of paganism and most of all they didn't decorate trees and celebrate the birth of our Savior in any way shape or form until the Roman church made it a godly thing to practice paganism in the church.

I believe with all of my heart that God wants us to go back to basics. In the book of Revelation the word Ephesus means "desirable one" and even though they concentrated more on their works then their love of Christ. They did it because they were over realest. But Christ is looking for us to be like them in everything else spoken of about the church and it didn't include the practice of paganism in the church.

In short I am not assuming that you are rejecting the word of God, I am telling you that you are rejecting the word of God as it was written in the beginning. All of these other bible versions with these words like melon patches, scarecrows, chisals and the like in any number of books and verses are garbage and should be burned. I am saying that the true word of God has been so distorted in these newer versions that it has cause great confusion and justify the evil desires of the men who wrote them. Even the International Bible Society which is a world renouned orginization. Developed and stands behind the "Gender Nutral Bible" and Zandrevon which is one of the biggest Christain book publishers in the world mass published this distorted version of the bible. The integrety of both of these so called Christian Oginizations has been compromised by the desires of men.

Now if your Strongs doesn't say the same thing as my Strongs then you have a Strongs Concordance that is geared to the NIV and not the KJ which is what Mr. Strong used to do his work and that is where some of the differences are.