Dinosaurs

[Massorite]

Someone asked me the other day why dinosaurs are not mentioned in the bible. I have a theory that I need for you guys to give me your opinions . Genesis 1:1 says"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Then Genesis 1:2 says" Now the earth was formless and empty..." . Is it possible that the dinosaurs existed for millions of years in Genisis 1:1 and then were destroyed before Genesis 1:2 and Genesis 1:2 started about 6000 years ago? Shiloh62Genesis

Job 40:15 "Behold the Behemoth, which I made". Job 41:1 "Can you draw out Leviathan with an". Psalms 74:14, 104:26 and Isaiah 27:1.

There is all kinds of speculation about these animals but no biblical proof that they are anything but what the bible discreption of what they are. However if you read what the bibles says without adding or subtracting from the words the Behemoth is a Brontosaurs and the Leviathan is a fire breathing dragon that flies. The bible also speaks of a Unicorn more then once. Fables or legends don't get started for no reason.

[Guest man]

What bible translation are you guys using?

I use the KJV...but then I use esword for for word studies, along with other things.

Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. KJV.

I don't see the word "became", anywhere in those 2 verses.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

[OneLight]

You said I'm trying to take words to and apply them to fit my view. Yet there is no need. As with the word became...which you also posted the word was means to become...or became. Same word. The same word used in for was in Gen 1:2 is the same word used for Lots wife became a pillar or salt. I have posted the words copied right from my the esword program.

To say the earth was (meaning began like that) void does not even fit in with the meaning of the Hebrew word.

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was

H1961

היה

hâyâh

haw-yaw'

A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

I can see where you get your confusion concerning the word was. Your esword does not include the word "appear" as in Qal #4 from my explanation. replace was with appeared (both past tense) and you will find a better understanding. You should also consider what I brought for the word form, formlessness (of primeval earth).

[Shiloh62]

This is the closest I could find ...

Job 40:15-19 (New King James Version)

Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you;

He eats grass like an ox.

See now, his strength is in his hips,

And his power is in his stomach muscles.

He moves his tail like a cedar;

The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.

His bones are like beams of bronze,

His ribs like bars of iron.

He is the first of the ways of God;

Only He who made him can bring near His sword.

Sure sounds like a dinosaur to me! Shiloh62

[Shiloh62]

I believe the Genesis you quoted was an explanation for why they are not mentioned.

However we see in Job that they mention Leviathan. From what I have seen in the past, that is supposedly some dragon like creature. In Belize in the 90's there was mention of a leviathan like creature seen in that deep blue hole in the sea they have on their shores. More recently, Giant Squids and Octopuses have been found and captured of the coasts of Japan

So it is my belief that the deep sea based creatures are still alive today in the pacific and other places but the land animales like T-Rex and the rest were destroyed when the earth was formless... that's just my idea of it. None of this is based on actual fact.. except for the part about the giant Squids and Octopus, that was on the news. Notice how also, Giant Squids were mentioned in greek mythology how they destroyed ships and all... could it be?

The oceans are so vast that they ill probably be our final frontier. It always amazes what they are discovering down there all the time. Shiloh62

[Shiloh62]

I believe the Genesis you quoted was an explanation for why they are not mentioned.

However we see in Job that they mention Leviathan. From what I have seen in the past, that is supposedly some dragon like creature. In Belize in the 90's there was mention of a leviathan like creature seen in that deep blue hole in the sea they have on their shores. More recently, Giant Squids and Octopuses have been found and captured of the coasts of Japan

So it is my belief that the deep sea based creatures are still alive today in the pacific and other places but the land animales like T-Rex and the rest were destroyed when the earth was formless... that's just my idea of it. None of this is based on actual fact.. except for the part about the giant Squids and Octopus, that was on the news. Notice how also, Giant Squids were mentioned in greek mythology how they destroyed ships and all... could it be?

Yes, they are also mentioned, but they are sea creatures. Dinosaurs are commonly known as land animals ... generally speaking. As for the theory of there being millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. This is known as the Gap Theory, which does not hold water. Man has created the biblical references with the numerical system for study reasons, which made it easier to find a place in scripture. It was not meant to divide it as in time. His word tells us in the first paragraph that the world was without form, which could not sustain life. Trying to add to His word is not wise.

I saw an ad the other day in a magazine, I believe it was BAR, for a bible called "The Holy Bible in its true Order " or something similar. I wonder if that bible is more accurate thn the one we have come to accept, or if it is even wise to change it around. Shiloh62

Edited February 1, 2009 by Shiloh62

[Shiloh62]

Yes, they are also mentioned, but they are sea creatures. Dinosaurs are commonly known as land animals ... generally speaking. As for the theory of there being millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. This is known as the Gap Theory, which does not hold water. Man has created the biblical references with the numerical system for study reasons, which made it easier to find a place in scripture. It was not meant to divide it as in time. His word tells us in the first paragraph that the world was without form, which could not sustain life. Trying to add to His word is not wise.

Actually Gods word states that He first created the the Earth became. That is not adding it is just a proper translation.

I do believe there was something that happened between Gen 1:1 and 2. The earth became something then God restored the earth.

I find it wild that the Bible puts God created first then the earth being void, rather than the earth being void then God created. Doesn't make sense. Riddle me this: when did God create something that had no shape?

Let's see ... air for one. The vacuum of space for another. Time comes to mind.

Lets look at His word. Genesis 1:1-2

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Notice the "And", meaning a continuance of the first sentence. The period finished the statement in the first verse, but does not exclude the connection with the second verse.

Now lets look at that same thing considering the word and with the proper translation of that word there.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Sorry, my question was wrong...forgive me for that.

Lets actually look a little more at without form and void.

Without form meaning waste...or worthless, vain. So God created earth a waste huh. Void meaning ruin empty...like a bombed out city. That is how God created the earth?

I don't see the word, "became" in the Hebrew. Where are you getting that? I see the word, "Hayita" which is properly translated "was" and is in the past tense.

On the other hand, you will notice that God creates the "Great lights" to rule the day and the night on the fourth day. This would seem to suggest that the first three days are defined by some other limitations. Some day I want to ask God for the definition of the words morning and evening as used in the first chapter of Genesis.

I'm not sure if this is related, but a friend of mine told me that morning started at 6:00 a.m. for the people in the bible rather than 12:00 a.m. Not sure about the credibility of this. Shiloh62

[Shiloh62]

Lets look at His word. Genesis 1:1-2

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Now lets look at that same thing considering the word and with the proper translation of that word there.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

What bible translation are you guys using?

[OneLight]

I saw an ad the other day in a magazine, I believe it was BAR, for a bible called "The Holy Bible in its true Order " or something similar. I wonder if that bible is more accurate thn the one e have come to accept, or if it is even ise to change it around. Shiloh62

To twist scripture is sinful, but to say that this is your belief of what scripture is saying may not be. People are always trying to create a bible what is better then the last. One has to be extremely careful when searching through a new version. If you can not read Hebrew or Greek, which more can not then can, then trust what has been acceptable and put it side by side what what you are considering. Has anything changed? If so, seek out why.

Understand that there are those who are rewriting the Bible in order to conform to what they believe and not to bring a better understand of what God is trying to tell us. Take the Emergent Church. They are removing scripture that is controversial and has brought division. The New Age people have developed The Message bible. The homosexuals are writing one for themselves. I would suggest that you stick with what is already proven until you are solidly grounded in Him so when you do come across a lie, it will stick out like a black spot on a white wall.

[Shiloh62]

Lets look at His word. Genesis 1:1-2

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Now lets look at that same thing considering the word and with the proper translation of that word there.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

What bible translation are you guys using?

(sheepishly) NIV Shiloh62