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I have viewed revalation a good many ways over the years. But the one thing that always gets me is this statement; The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, And this one; Write therefore the things that you have seen, those that are and those that are to take place after this. And then tie it into this one; After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this." Three phrases - must soon take place, are to take place after this, and must take place after this. I believe it is a continual unfolding that started with the writing of the book itself. I believe that since the time of the emergence of the last church we see described things have been unfolding ever since. When did it emerge? Who knows for sure, I have never looked real hard. So as far as where exactly, I think somewhere mid chapter 13. I think the beast who rises from the "earth" has done so and now we will begin to see what takes place from this. My thoughts anyways.

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Hello Andrew, Your answer is first...accepting Jesus as your personal Savior (if you haven't). Then reading His Word..which is like a bio of who He is and what He can and already has done..right down to the always will do. You must spend time with Him..get to know His voice..tell Him what you are feeling..even what you don't feel. Be prepared to get answers to what you are asking..believing with a whole heart. And follow through..as you learn to humble yourself..God will be freed to reveal what He desire for your life. I have been where you are..The Lord is always available to answer..yet sometimes He can't because we do all the talking. Even Christian have their days May you receive what you need..as you desire more of Him and less of you. In Jesus Name, Amen.

Rev. 1:19 is the interpretative key. Rev. 1 is past (to John), Rev. 2-3 is present (to John), while Rev. 4-22 is yet future (literal, futurist view vs preterism). Rev. 6-19 is the Tribulation period after the rapture (Christ comes FOR the church), before the visible Second Coming/Millennium (Christ comes WITH the Church). Actually we can say chapter one is what was, what is, and what will be. It isn't so much an outline of the book but the reality of the concurrent nature of prophecy in the book. There are over 800 references to the OT in Revelation. In some way most have been fulfilled and all will be fulfilled.

It's not real clear to me what your point is here, but does not the Word of God clearly state that all are cursed by the law (Gal 3:10), according to Dt 27:26, and it is that curse from which Christ redeemed us (Gal 3:13)? You don't think that means it was impossible to keep the law? of course not that was the whole point of the law it made them sages and ancient hebrews lean on christ as he then forgive them. that is what i mean. surely if that wasnt the case no mention of the right"spirit" in joshua and caleb. now then is grace just sit back and let christ do it all theres no do for a christian in commandments(this is taught these days) why would god ask men to do the impossible? he wouldnt. he knew then they couldnt do it and it was to show the world that he would make the way for the redeemer to come but until then he did mean that they could come to him for forgiveness and he gave them the strength to the do the law. if not why then did abraham believe or the prophets by whose spirit did they see god with? I think you are saying that it was possible to keep the law. But it looks like it wasn't possible to keep it well enough to avoid its curse, since all were under its curse (Gal 3:10). You might like, more than you expect to like, the bolded top part of what I sent you on freedom from the law. so cursed men wrote the bible? david a man after gods own heart was a cursed man? the point here is that when you did sin you could get forgiveness. if not why then david then repent when he heard from nathan god said thou shall not die thy sin has been forgiven. or isiah say come let us reason though they clothes be crimison red they shall be white as snow? so there wasnt grace then? no mercy given. hmm thats not the god i recall in the tanach.that is the dichotomy i disagree. mercy and grace was very much active then. the difference then is how close one could get to the lord and that the law didnt operate inwardly as it does in christ.

The question one should ask is, "If I leave this world today, where will I spend my eternity?" I wouldn't worry too much about tomorrow, because for many of us, tomorrow will never come. How do we prepare for a post tribulation exit resurrection? Walk in the Light of the Word.

You error in the 'who' is being gathered together for Armageddon. 13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. The spirits of devils, working miracles, are gathering the kings of the earth and the whole world together to fight against God. Not those who are watching and keeping their garments clean. They are not gathered up to be killed. Gary

Oh I have so been there too, It was at this point that I believe I found faith. I have been there literally to when you say the phrase, Is God really listening and I dont want to die. I thought that same thing has I was lying on a hospital bed being hooked up to a nebuliser and then a oxygen tank so literally I thought I dont want to die. Everyone has been where you are in one shape or way. Hang in there be patient and you will get the remedy. I did and its was a lovely rapid healing process!

First, you need Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, and you will never be alone again. You will be in my prayers.

This is absolutely beautiful. This was me right before I fully submitted myself to following the lamb. May God finish the work He began in you. Gary

Praying~!

I have I guess my frustration at this friend was due to another snowballing issue. I do admire his ability to become a sponge for all aspects of faith, history and even going into ancient history. He is very full on and like me an all-or-nothing personality type too so thats where we meet in the middle. I've realized i'd rather be surrounded by people like him than with those who just are thrill seekers and live for the moment type. So I have forgiven him Thanks for all the advice and replies everyone its much appreciated.

The OP is so badly formatted that I can't read it. Just an observation, not a drive by.