The problem for me is that many of the atheists on this forum are on those other forums, as well and in the 10 years that I have been here, none of them have ever made that claim. I would think given the hundreds of atheists that have come and gone, such a claim would have surfaced if your accusation of them were true. Are you saying I'm lying? Nn, just that I don't think it is a common or widespread claim given no one on this board makes that claim and no athesist I have discussed the issue with before ever made that claim. Can you cope with my experience on forums where Atheists post being very different to yours?