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(1) Because someone they trust tells them it is okay. (even a lot of false prophets and false teachers are telling this the last ten years). (2) Because the government tells them they have to if they want benefits anymore. (i.e. food, shelter, medicine, a bank account, etc) (3) Because they didn't listen to anyone telling them the truth. (4) Because their job 'requires' it. (5) Because it is required for travel. (6) Because it is required for shopping. (7) Because they don't know that loving their life on this earth, in this world, instead of loving the truth, instead of loving God, is sin.

From Scripture it seems very clear that the world (society) (with all or most of the government(s)) in which we live today IS (and has been ) one of the common enemies opposing Jesus and Jesus' children. It is dramatically being summed up in the one world system of the beast, whether or not the beast is known or has been revealed yet, the system is all set for it, perfectly described in YHWH'S WORD, PLAN and PURPOSE....

Well, it seems most 'Christians' of the world, in the world, don't even think nor agree nor trust nor rely on YHWH(GOD) according to His Word (Scripture) that Jesus represents them before The Father or before The Father's Throne in heaven.....

Simple believers immersed in Yeshua all following Yeshua..... (good examples in their lives, and sharing always (daily) the testimony of JESUS, overcoming sin and the enemy by the BLOOD of the LAMB and their testimony) ..... who remembers the ONE Follower of Jesus who met with (and led the PRAYER during the war) the PM of Britain , the President of the USA and other Government Leaders During WWII ? He was possibly the "best person to represent" true Christianity in the world, known worldwide, without ostentatiousness, without promoting greed nor promoting idolatry nor promoting any group. Recently there may have been a few Christian leaders / representatives like the one who blew the SHOFAR in Cuba when the country was opened up, (at the time , at the moment the SHOFAR was blown, it was heard (reportedly so) loud screams all across the demonically possessed in the crowd of thousands as the demons immediately fled out of and away from their 'hosts' they had had control of for much of their lives perhaps. No known way to verify this except by eye-witnesses who were there - (news of this was broadcast on television about month ago) ) ... As others have pointed out repeatedly, many religious leaders are 'faulty' (very badly so, not just a little), and disobedient (on purpose it seems, and they teach others to be disobedient, making wrecks of congregations spiritually) ....

So then you agree that that one is not any kind of successor from Peter ? (except in broken worldly ways not in line with God's Word) (as this is just one of uncountable number of examples)

Relates more importantly to this example from GOD'S WORD perhaps: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Esther+1-10... - Cached - Similar 5 When Haman saw that Mordecai did not bow or pay him homage, Haman was filled with wrath. ...

Seeking the examples in GOD'S WORD, if it is pertinent, how did Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David and other kings, and the judges of Israel, meet with and conduct business with the pagan heathen gentile nations serving idols ? What was their 'disposition' and so forth ?

What have you learned in line with the OP, topic, title, ?

Really? I think you give me too much credit, perhaps, or not enough.... I don't seek any credit - anyway it seems no one is learning from anyone else.... You have read all the posts right ? Do you claim to understand ? Did anyone learn anything ?

What do you actually think the topic is ? (see below) They are all un-reconciliable , but will still work towards ecumeni***** , as written in Scripture the beast is working everywhere towards the one world system every day. Jesus or one of Jesus' disciples. Sarcasm, right?

I'm not your brother (nor let alone is anyone here mother or father) as far as I am aware. Why did you think the post was to you ? As written in Scripture the verse is written to/ for those who seek and welcome and do not reject YHWH'S correction. (That post on discipline was being composed and was posted without even seeing your 2 previous posts to it; i.e. not even related except if YHWH'S PLAN)

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Proverbs%2023%3A13 - Cached - Similar Don't fail to correct your children; discipline won't hurt them! They won't die if you use a stick on them! Punishment will keep them out of hell.

That's why the two witnesses, and everyone who takes a stand for truth, is hated by the world.

Well, did you find out ? Mostly "of the world" ? i.e. Worldly 'Christendom' ? Remember the best messenger(s) of YHWH , (soon?), or both of them picked by YHWH, sent by YHWH, in YHWH'S WORD, GREATLY UPSETS the whole world - the world even parties for 3 days when they die/are 'killed'/ ..... not at all accepting the world/ nations/ people's great wickednesses and idolatries and sorceries and witchcrafts ... (Revelation )

Sorry, no formula..... if that worked, the scribes and pharisees, who Jesus said had the keys to get in to heaven, would have gotten to heaven, but they refused to enter in, and they did all they could to prevent others from finding the way to heaven. And Jesus told His Own disciples: I know you don't know how to live, how to succeed, how to have victory over sin and death and the devil, how to save yourselves from your own sin, and how to save yourselves from this wicked generation and even from your own lives..... and Jesus told them: If you think you have it made, if you think you can accomplish your salvation yourselves (and remember Jesus is saying this to His Own Disciples who He had Taught and Trained and Lived With for some time) then you have already failed; but if you trust(like a little child fully active alive willing whole heart trust and rely on) your heavenly father to accomplish everything concerning salvation in this life now today, and every day, and in the life to come, then it is already done.

Little ones who are from conception taught and raised to always trust God, to pray, to seek God, to always no matter what tell the truth, to love the truth, to not lie, to not steal, ever, for any reason, do not lie steal and cheat, but they are still isinners

Especially when the traditions blatantly oppose Scripture, abominably (not just a little bit).

< smile ? > keep seeking What if as it is "another" means something different than "another one" as if a different one than the Son , but means as below >> "I WILL" (Jesus Will) "COME TO YOU". (elsewhere as Jesus says "I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR FORSAKE YOU"..... "you know Him, for He dwells with you" (Jesus dwelled with them; and dwells with us) "the Spirit of truth" (Jesus says "I AM THE TRUTH" ) So much is on purpose mis-understood about YHWH , echad with Y'SHUA, echad with ekklesia.

The devil, hasatan, is God's Creation, but is not God's child. Likewise the children of the devil here, the many anti-christs among us.

It was a casual (for research ) post prompted by severe errors in some previous post(s), in case anyone was looking/ seeking. As for as "in the image of GOD", this came up on another thread a little while ago >>> Matthew 5:45 - Bible Gateway https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew 5%3A45 so that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. For He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. and About 4,200 results (0.60 seconds) Search Results John 8:44 KJV - Ye are of your father the devil, and - Bible Gateway https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A44&version=KJV Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because. C. Children of God Contrasted with Children of the Devil (3:7–10 ... https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/asbury-bible.../Children-God-Contrasted The idea of family likeness continues: As God's children, we bear his likeness. Conversely, the children of the Devil bear his. But once again John focuses on the ... 1 John 3:10 KJV - In this the children of God are - Bible Gateway https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+3%3A10&version=KJV In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not. 1 John 3 AMP - Children of God Love One Another - See - Bible ... https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+3&version=AMP 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are clearly identified: anyone who does not practice righteousness [who does not seek God's will in ...

Did you actually find a 'Christian' nation. (tested, proven, righteous, holy, saved by YHWH, set apart by Him according to HIS WORD, not working unrighteousness, not working towards nor with the one world religion ? )

Whether you go to God 1st or Scripture 1st you'll find they are in perfect agreement, no dis-harmony, no contradicition.... and likewise every so-called message or messenger, even "an apostle" or "an angel of light" (as if) must be check to Scripture before accepting. i.e. always prove and verify in harmony with God's Plan in and by Scripture. Test all the 'spirits' as God says to.

Perhaps not the 'same', yet they cannot claim foul >> Matthew 5:45 - Bible Gateway https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew 5%3A45 so that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. For He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

.... C. Children of God Contrasted with Children of the Devil (3:7–10 ... https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/asbury-bible.../Children-God-Contrasted The idea of family likeness continues: As God's children, we bear his likeness. Conversely, the children of the Devil bear his. But once again John focuses on the ... 1 John 3:10 KJV - In this the children of God are - Bible Gateway https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+3%3A10&version=KJV In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not. 1 John 3 AMP - Children of God Love One Another - See - Bible ... https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+3&version=AMP 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are clearly identified: anyone who does not practice righteousness [who does not seek God's will in ...

Maybe not "good out of anything", and even though HE takes no pleasure in perishing (death) even of the wicked, Remembering likewise though Esau sought with tears for repentance, he could not find it/ be restored. and King Saul lost / forfeited his 'kingship' for his whole 'line' ... Likewise the betrayer of the Messiah, and other disciples who turned away from following YHWH/Y'SHUA in the NEW TESTAMENT - like in a game of chess, YHWH is Perfect Player and if He Be For Us, who can be against ?! But we can still forfeit the game.