Dan_79

Islam regards Jesus as a prophet and claims decendency from Abraham (through Ishmael). There are now goats in Jacobs pasture. Also Tares rely on already established crops to be able to grow. The western seed being a fully developed company of nations all have a growing Islamic population. (Europe, USA, Australia,Canada etc) Another interesting factoid regarding tares is they carry a deadly "smut" fungus that is poisonous to mammals (including man). So that any which ingests grain that has become infected by this fungus is poisoned.

Ok: The Wheat is the people who were instrumental in the spread of Christianity and of the truth (as the truth was in them) the good seed. The Tares were sown afterwards, by their father, he was a murderer from the begining (had no truth in him). Islam was sown after Christianity. Just like the bible said after the wheat is sown the devil will sow his seed in the field. If you look at a map of the UK and you can see where Islam has chosen to settle in highest concentrations, it is not an accident.

Correct. Read the parable of the Wheat and Tares.

Not sure I can trust the public CIA information and their coverted deep state ideology but yes you are correct...I know people that used to work at the michelin tyre company in the midlands UK and said the same thing. All I am saying is the media, the military and the CIA are not affiliated to Christianity. Christians die or are used but its not the goal of the Christian. It is all linked and still of importance as it shows organized supply chains and disribution networks....even though we are told this is a major route for heroin....the idea of a donkey carrying heroin out of asia goes to no lengths in explaining how it makes its over a vast ocean and perfectly ditributed close to its intended user, the only coverted way in which it could come from is by air and sea...commercial we are told but what about the military? Heroin has come along way to reach the end user and we are told of and know of how tight the controls are for travelling past boarder controls. The media throws a few anecdotal stories about smugglers getting caught with a few pills and bit of sniff and it makes the headlines. Its alot like asking how rebel forces in Syria came into using the same weapons used and distibuted by the western allied forces (izzy and uncle sam) isnt it? Coca I dont know if it still is but was used to flavour coca cola. When the tons of coca leaves are stripped of the active ingredients where do you think it ends up? Dentists only? 911 calls gives us a massive clue to what is happening on the battle front of this war. Its all easy to piece together once you learn the whole of it is run by a certain demograph, the education, the media, the military....and their desired goals. The bible explains it best and is more up to date than tomorrows newspapers.

Organ donation is a supply and demand chain for giving and recieving "healthy" organs or parts of the body that function to keep the body alive. If demand outweighs giving there is a shortage in the supply chain and shows evidence that sickness is overtaking health and vitality in a society or sickness is being rewarded at the cost of the healthy. If you consider factors of mixing of kin, inbreeding, genetic markers being paired in small breeding populations, poor maintenance of our bodies (wrong diet/etcetc) all contibutes to sickness (inherited by our actions and genetically passed on) and that in most cases a life has been lost already to offer an organ. It has been argued that this model of health maintains more sickness than it prevents. Time limitations of putting an older organ into a younger person or organs not being accepted could result in death so it is not reliable, also the organ recievers quality of life can also be regarded as a being critically poor. There are social implications where the rich can screen whole populations for matches and approach them, as is poorer people not recieving even basic health care putting them low on any list as a reciever of a organ. Most organs are taken from a deceased person which upon death becomes ritually unclean or of impurity to touch (num 19:11). Love thy neighbor is a compelling argument for being a doner so I would need to study the bible more for a more definate answer though.

Yes. I can.... Divide and conquer. Muslims have stages of war fare given to them by their manual. The larger the population becomes inside the nation they seek to over run the more brazen and more confident in their actions. A point of discussion I would love to add to is: how does a Christian nation that is thriving without guidance from the talmud and koran, expected to grow in strength adopting one of these as its government guide and the other as a growing blueprint for its future? Both of which are adversary to Christ and his teachings. The bible teaches us about the history or enmity between good and bad and offers us a perfect future proof way of cleansing our lands of these evil elements. Why are we not discussing this as standard??? Who sowed the seeds of invite for these two foreign elements to grow in the first place. It has not happened over night but gradually, incrementally, one policy change at a time over a period of time. Does the truth not have the ability to destroy lies? Let us look at what has happened. This is fresh history so it doesn't have to rely on purely academic references that by which like we have seen cause confusion or serve to derail a topic. Who invited Ishmeal into Jacobs pasture? Who opened the gate from the inside?

Yes. I agree. If the call centre 911 exchange has limited staff if can and I guess does hinder genuine 911 calls for help. I have my doubts regarding how far governments can grow in these areas and wonder if they set the price on life by advising us to rely on them to do this kind of societal task in its entirety. Its all being seen to be doing something using words like "care" etc but its largely determined by social and financial status after the initial call is collected and value for money is then a cause of greater concern than saving a life. I will not go down the route of another issue, namely the sale of organs whose demands from differing ends of the societal spectrum creates a supply and demand chain. It too hard hitting for most people I speak to.

Prevention is the best cure. Society allows this to flourish because these people get slowly sucked in probably from an early age that manifests into young adulthood, which by then it is either to late (by their reasoning) or understood how far along that path they are, with no help, no hope and looked down upon by the rest of society. I have been homelessl, taken all sorts of drugs and had a very turbulent past, the drugs and homelessness did not go hand in hand in my case. Proof to myself that people can and do recover to a point where they can say..phew...glad that is over I have witnessed. Once my mind had been burnt out by drugs and my reasoning was clouded and I looked and smelled like I should be avoided by family, loyal friends etc (my stubborness defeated their limitations on help), it was down to my spirit to keep up the good fight, as soon as others saw I was trying to help myself I had all the help I wanted and certainly needed. Governments these days are not anti drugs, doctors are by definition state drug dealers, don't be decieved by all the anti drug schemes and rehabilitation in the media.... it became clear to me afterwards they have a dog to be backed in the fight over who produces and who runs the rackets.... Drugs are big business along with arms and people traffiking. The history of the Opium wars to the Mexican cartels via the Afghan poppy fields all hide a glaring truth that man is stubborn to learn, society rewards different people in different ways but they would rather ignore the victims of their own policies even when they are seen on home soil and how they explain them away is appauling. You would be suprised how many of these addicts are ex servcicemen whose missions include wiping out entire villages for land to be used to grow drug crops and secure narural gas and oil etc. I was horrified to learn the outcomes of many "grunts" military "pawns" and "goons" of foreign policy who get brainwashed into commiting legal murder, kidnap and worse. Spiritually repenting so harshly that sleeping under a bridge with nothing but a blanket and some herion running through their veins to numb the cold, was all they wanted to do or could offer back to the state that took so much from them and rewarded them so little after a few completed missions. The ones I worked with gave so much to their country but learned afterwards the truth of their missions. That being the catalyst to an unbearable realisation that comes after a hastey de-commision. They were still people and it was their stories that helped me learn about what you are not taught or that which is to be kept secret from the hum drum public emersed in their own material trance like state. By the time the pride and adrenalin wore off and the truth they sought came to set them free from continuing it left them also aware of their actions. Many take their own lives or "crack" during the impossible task of re entering society and raise the prison statistics, those with the addiction still have their spirit and are not a lost cause. Sorry to go off a little from the topic, AE and 911 I guess you should treat each case as genuine until you know otherwise. You risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater otherwise.

This reminds me of the state marriage license. To make my position clear: Believers in Christ make up the body of Christ in faith AND obedience. The idea of an organised religion based on places of worship (buildings) is not just a shelter for believers to comfortably discuss and learn about the bible anymore. The bible makes no neccessity of it in place of where your HEART is so has gone far beyond it practical application. Is God at Church (in a building)? So what does the bible say: You make contact with God on your own! https://www.openbible.info/topics/how_to_pray No mention of buildings, praying in large public number (lest you fake it or make a big thing of it), long or short un-interactive sermons dictated to you (by church building dictators) etc.. A transparent church seeks to allow all to learn together and a collective question and answer would serve far better than a single person choosing your direction of learning within scripture. New believers can learn alot from going to a church (like I did) and it can be a great introduction but it should not be your main source of knowledge and understanding of scripture. Also if you cannot ask a question or have a lively discussion on these things chosen for you for a particular service, you risk alienating those who are not so quick to learn and therefor stumble. Also if your pastor will not humble himself infront of his congregation and share an equal status with them in the eyes of the LORD then beware of the "do as I say not do as I do" A relationship with God is not judged on church attendance, let me make that clear. Church in this article is (imho) not to be interpreted as a collection of buildings showing there differences (denominations) much like the word ISRAEL having a new meaning that differers from that contained in scripture. God gave us festivals to attend which also serve as sociable, interactive, lively and joyful events to meet people and the church (building) has replaced it almost entirely.

Can you not seek refuge to somewhere safer?

Sincerest apologies. Was totally wrong of me to make that assuming comment. Please forgive me?

Hi Abby. Bright young lad you are raising. Two or more people who come together in his name and he is there! Matthew 18:20 Now throw in a sabbath where by God gives you the whole day to read to eachother and discuss and learn scripture together at the same pace, enjoyable, comfortable, interactive.... When you have the above who could possibly need xbox or clown shoes.

Can you imagine turning up late to this place and you go in only to find a loads of people dressed in clowns gowns complete with clown shoes on, wigs, unicyclists....juggler's the lot.... Carslberg don't do false churches... But if they did.. (this joke might be missed on our brothers and sisters over the pond)

This is what we need to get our heads together and discuss. You raise a very important question. To any reader this outlines the 501 clauses http://hushmoney.org/501c3-facts.htm A great many of the church's problems today are a direct result of the church "taking" and actively pursuing a legal status that makes it inferior to, and a subordinate of, the civil government. The two most significant ways this occurs is by incorporation (state jurisdiction) and the tax-exempt 501c3 status (federal jurisdiction). Scripture simply does not support the notion that the church is an inferior institution to the State. Nor, for that matter, is the church a superior institution to the State. God has ordained both the church and the civil government as His "ministers." The church is the minister of grace, while the State is the minister of justice. Church and State are two distinct and independent spheres of authority (jurisdictions) ordained by God. However, no church can remain separate and distinct from the civil government when it incorporates and/or accepts 501c3 status. For legal purposes an incorporated 501c3 church has subordinated itself, by contract, to the civil government. For theological purposes, that church has made a covenant with the State, a covenant which Scripture in no way supports. What is the solution to the church's current messy state of affairs? It must cease operating as an underling of the State. The solution is for the church to legally operate as it once had in America (and we might add, quite successfully so). Rather than operating as "tax-exempt nonprofit religious corporations," churches once functioned as "free-churches." Just what exactly is a free-church? A free-church operates independent of, and is in no way subordinate to, the civil government. It is the right of any church to operate free of the corrupting and compromising influence and control of the State; and it is a right guaranteed by the Constitution: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof… A free-church is not some radical-fringe concept. Rather, the free-church was one of the most influential, and certainly one of the most common, institutions in early American history. The worldview of those men who fought for America's independence embraced an uncompromising belief that the church was not an underling, a vassal, or in any way subordinate to any king, parliament, or any other civil government body. The church is the religious institution ordained and established by Jesus Christ Himself, and Christ has never delegated His authority to the civil jurisdiction to rule in the affairs of His church. A free-church is the opposite of a State-Church. The Church Of England is a State-Church system. State-Churches are well known throughout Europe, and there have been State-Churches there for many centuries. Europeans not only have a very low regard for their State-Churches and government-licensed clergy, they often hold them in open contempt, and this is reflected statistically by what is the lowest church attendance in the world. Rather than being quick to criticize the Europeans for not attending church, we should ponder whether their contempt for the State-Church system isn't well deserved. If you're ever inclined to have a church experience that is cold, empty, meaningless and downright depressing, just attend the average European church service (it's little wonder there are so many agnostics and atheists there). A State-Church is a church which is organized by the State, and/or is controlled and regulated by the State, or which exists at the pleasure of the State. Christians in Europe have, for a number of generations, grown up surrounded by nothing but State-Churches. As such, they are generally not offended by the notion that the State controls their church (they just don't bother to show up unless it's Christmas). It's simply a way of life for them which they generally do not question. Americans, on the other hand, are generally offended by the notion of the State creating or controlling their churches, or that their churches would be subordinate to the State. However, this is exactly what has occurred in recent years as a direct result of churches incorporating and seeking a 501c3 status -- they have become State-Churches. A free-church is a church that is truly separate, independent and autonomous from the State. It is established by a local body of Christian believers, or chartered or "planted" by another church body or denomination, without the permission or sanction of the State. The only "sovereign" of the free-church is the Lord Jesus Christ. A free-church cannot incorporate, it cannot seek a 501c3 status, it cannot become a tax collector for the State (withholding agent), it cannot accept government-issued tax numbers (EIN). The term "free-church" was widely used by the American colonists. It was not a term that they coined, but one which they inherited from their fathers and forebears such as the Scottish Covenanters, and the "non-conformist" English clergy, both of whom fled the persecutions of the Anglican State-Church and it's "sovereign head" the British monarchy. Even after American independence there continued to be Christians who fled the religious persecution of their State-Church systems for the freedom of religion America offered them. They too often used the term "free-church" to describe the churches they organized. Such an example of this would be the Evangelical Free Church, which was founded by a group of Scandinavians who settled in America in the mid-nineteenth century. Tragically, the Evangelical Free Church In America today has become a "Free Church" in name only. By incorporating and becoming a 501c3 they, some years ago, decided to abandon those principles that their Swedish, Danish and Norwegian forefathers endured great persecution for. Equally tragic is the demise of the so-called "Free-Church of Scotland." Were they honest it would be renamed the "State-Church of Scotland." So thoroughly has it become a State-Church that Scottish pastors receive their paychecks from the government (and it happened because the Scottish clergy insisted upon it). He who pays the piper calls the tune. The church must cease operating as an underling, subordinate to the State, or in any way dependent upon the State for "privileges and benefits." The solution rests in the church organizing and operating as a church -- the ecclesia, not as something other than what the Lord Jesus Himself ordained and specified. Jesus spoke of the church as a “body” with Himself as the “head” of His church, and we as various “members of the body.” The church is, therefore, not an “organization” (a “legal entity”) but a living, breathing “organism.” This should not be a difficult biblical doctrine to grasp, particularly for the Pastor. Sadly, however, ever since local churches started organizing as tax-exempt non-profit corporations in the mid-twentieth century, and since the incorporated 501c3 church is now the status quo, many folks have a hard time conceiving of the church operating as just a church. For some odd reason, just being a church isn’t good enough anymore for too many Christians. The thinking today appears to be that we must somehow be smarterthan Jesus and His disciples were. They refused to incorporate and that refusal resulted in their persecution (incorporation of all “spontaneous collectivities of persons” became mandatory throughout the Roman Empire by 6 A.D.). We’re told that we live in a far more complex world than the first-century church, and so the church too must inevitably become more complex and just adapt to the complexities of the modern information age. The simplicities of the organizational infrastructure (polity) of the early church are no longer adequate to address the complex world in which we live. Those who hold to such beliefs, whether in word or deed, are in reality, making a public proclamation that Jesus Christ is no longer competent to govern His own church and provide for, and protect it. The courts well-understand that “a church is not an entity recognized in law,” meaning that they have no jurisdiction over the church. However, organizing a church as a church is an especially difficult concept for attorneys to grasp. Few attorneys can comprehend that there are things and issues completely outside the purview and jurisdiction of the civil government, nor do they much care for the idea. After all, it’s hard to get many billable hours out of those churches that understand that the civil government has no jurisdiction over them. A free-church needs an attorney like a fish needs a bicycle. The legal support for the State’s lack of jurisdiction over the church in America is not only the Word of God, but the First Amendment to the Constitution for the United States: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof… No church in any nation at any point in history can lay claim to the freedoms and liberties that are guaranteed the church in America. The First Amendment is an act of God’s Providence to safeguard His church and maintain its independence from the State. The First Amendment is the highest form of real protection the church has ever known in history. The solution rests in the church abandoning the phony third-rateprotections and benefits of the State and returning to those realprotections and benefits that are ours in Christ Jesus.

"...as we all needed Him." Amen to that brother Yowm. The system has let them down. They have made bad choices (which mortal man or woman hasn't??) They need help in their time of need. It is a difficult one, I have worked with some who went on to die and it is very rare to see someone come back from such a devastating addiction be it heroin or worse, they all needed Jesus.

Is Your Church 501(c)(3)? A 501(c)(3) church cannot speak freely about the many wicked Caesars found in our local, state, & federal governments. But, According to the IRS, and U.S. law... No church needs a 501(c)(3) to be tax exempt. All churches are "exempt automatically". No church has to be 501(c)(3) to receive tax deductible contributions. All church contributions are already tax deductible.

Are you suprised? If I want to learn what God (not allah) expects me to do, what do you guys/gals think I should do? A: Read the bible (that book with a message kinda thingy contained within it) ? Or B: join the The Church of the latte de la crem de la creme semi-skimmed into the coffers off the trough of gravy boats?

The reason why the west doesnt want Islam is because they have Christianity. Also all we see are muslims running from their 3rd world countries coming to the west to whine, criticize and want to change our nations into the very 3rd world nations you are running from. You beliefs about how you should treat our women and non beliievers in general is quite frankly disgusting when your numbers and confidence in numbers grow.

Speaking for the UK ONLY we have a small number of very over represented clique of people who have been instrumental in propagating Islam in the west, they make the policy and lobby and invite Islam to the west and this same clique hides behind censorship and is using Islam to instil fear so they can strengthen security laws which deprive law abiding citizens of freedom. If you speak who they are openly you get banned and accused of being all sorts of things. Islam has always held to the same warfare plan since its beginning and it known what Islam will begin to do in western countries and this clique is counting on it for their own goals. Ive heard all the Taqqiya and sophistry from the apologists for long enough to understand for myself. All I can say is there is more to this than just what is shoved down our throats via news etc.

I disagree. Warren Buffet is rich (in the present time). Seek scripture regarding warnings to the rich in earthly treasures. My opinion aside. They may find they have already been paid in full. Also his generation were in it to win it, what state will the children who now inherit the earth be in? Seriously, if your going to be quick to defend one generation over another then consider at least how you suppose is best to hand the reigns over to that generation. When daddy has spent his whole life feeding the beast and it comes for his kids what is he to say to his kids, sorry your losing your identity, country, land, health...at least you wont be embarrassed oit witj you daddy in this ride. Charity? The ones who pay exorbitantly high salaries to CEO's? Is that not an old boys club? What about charitable deeds....you don't need money for that. What about alarming figures of adults still at home living with mummy and daddy due to the inability to get on the property ladder so they can start a family and have kids....while grandad plays the property market to get his houses filled with violent invaders. Sounds like washing tinfoil might of been better long term. I here this all to often. "Kids these days..." Taught and given example by the former generations. They don't stand a chance without good role models or upstanding God fearing parents.

Who is paying for them? Islam will have to decide whether they actually want to kill the goose that lays their golden eggs. Social Security is key to the propagation and multiplication of Islam in the west. Anti terror laws do not help Islam or the taxpayer, its a Hegelian dielectic to fund a one world government, using taxpayers money to fund the very fear that is needed to strengthen national security, which will be usurped by Israelis and rothchilds (the reds). While the spotlight is being shone on Islam there is a much more dangerous element your censored from discussing anywhere. The clock is ticking for them also

Islam is said to be the fastest growing religion in the world. That tells me that Christianity shares that same speed and was long before Islam already the fastest growing faith. Islam has historically taken large areas of land by the sword and made many people submit to its leader. What you are not told or taught though is that Islam while able to conquer land quickly, has always struggled to maintain itself afterwards. This is because Islam relies on taking what has been established as worthy of taking, brings nothing new with it. Once the conquering has reached it's peak and its honeymoon period has been realised it seems to sink back in the sand as the loot runs out. Scientific discoveries? History again shows a sudden drop in this field or research and discovery. Christianity has never stopped producing. Islam will only continue to grow if it has a free meal at the expense of the host nation it seeks to over run. Social security and Christian altruism and charity is probably responsible for most of its recent vigor. Not suprised about the attack though. I have been close to being killed (twice) by Muslims, peaceful as they are. Which is why I can say what I do, I have experienced their cultural enrichment first hand. Alas The sweet rich blood of the buck dries up and the tick dies along with the host. That is the pinnacle to which that of Islam can ever hope to achieve.

Hope his 84.5 billion doller net worth goes to the poor. That Camel might otherwise struggle to go through the eye of the needle. Also longevity is linked to honor to your parents, not in the honor of mammon or the babylonian market system that has destroyed nations, so while Warren might be a good ripe old age it has nothing to do with being saved or his financial status, I am to think you meant to post this on April 1st before noon? Strange advice for believers if ever I saw it.

See how you needed to belittle me to make your point. When someone gets belittled (which I did from someone in this thread) you can and should defend your word. Using an Ad-hominem attack is a preferred choice for someone who to win the "higher" ground as you say, seeks to take the major premise onto a minor premise and thus uses that to defeat that person. The major premise was being belittled the minor premise was you defending it by drawing into question my reply to that comment. See how easy that was! Again I ask Have I commited a sin? Am I a liar? Asking on a Christian forum regarding the KJV? In reply to a belittling comment that doesnt provide a simple anser to the question. No answer from you either, brother. I have been moderated for less myself. You can have the last word. From now on I pm and read threads only. As you have now said I have nothing of value to bring to any discussion. Fair?