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I cannot find the Gap Theory anywhere in Scripture, so I feel the same way as you feel about my Questions and Answers.

That is because if Posters don't confirm or conform to your Gap Theory, then it is nonsense. But the fact is, the Earth was already in some shape and form before we read God begins His Creation. Now, you want to use [in the Beginning]. So, does this Beginning include the Kingdom of God already exists, or needs to be Spoken into Existence? And if the Earth exists in the Beginning, was it Created just after God's Kingdom was Created? The Angels are created, so they had to have a Beginning. Only God is Eternal, so His Kingdom is most likely Created. Was Earth Created soon afterwards? The fact is, You don't from the Genesis Account how the Earth went from an Idea to the Condition found in Genesis 1:2. You are merely guessing, because there are no Account for there being Nothing but emptiness to the point Earth is Null, Void, Formless, under water.

But this is a different form of god, not the God, but god(s), like a Council Designed by the GOD for His Purpose.

Hindsight is always 20/20. But I just added a post before this I believe jumbles everything up even more so.

I will add one degree of difficulty here. Let's look at the Hebrew Version of Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. 1In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was astonishingly empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water. Nowhere do we see how the process of God just shows up to a Planet called Earth and it is already in Existence in the Condition of Verse 2. Where in the Creation Story does this Condition of Earth even come into being? How the Bible is laid out, it appears Earth was just in this Existence and God shows up and creates everything on Earth and what surrounds Earth. But there is no process to show how Genesis 1:2 came into being, because it reads that it always existed in this Condition until God decided to build around it and within it. God is Eternal, so He was before He created His own kingdom. When He created His own kingdom, was this also when He created Earth as we find it in Verse 2? And if so, is Earth as Void and under water as old as the created kingdom of God? Nowhere do we know how long Earth was established and remained as described in Verse 2 before we see God doing something . Is it possible then, knowing God created Space, the Luminaries, and life well AFTER Earth was already existing, that Earth is OLDER than the Universe, than Space, than the Luminaries? This destroys the Theory of Evolution, Big Bang, but it also destroys a Young Earth concept as well.

I did read all of that. But the Summary explains it all, to which I added: [However, under the neutral theory, the whole process is governed by chance, whereas under the selection theory, selection plays a major role and only selectively advantageous mutants can fix in the population.]

I never claimed I was part of the YE crowd. 1. Toss what in, like a 6 Day Creation means 6 literal days explained in Exodus? 9Six days may you work and perform all your labor, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord, your God; you shall perform no labor, neither you, your son, your daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, your beast, nor your stranger who is in your cities. 11For [in] six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day. Therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it. 2. Moses did include Genetics but on the surface level with a list of every tribe of man ending in ites, like Moabites, Hittites, the Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian, Sumerians, Cushites, etc. There is a distinction these people are not the same as the Hebrew Peoples. 3. Sun to rule the Day and Moon to rule the Night is an easy deduction of rotation. You are so consumed with the deception of Evolution, you're willing to destroy God's Written Account for it!

The Creation Account was written down by Moses who received it by word of mouth from God Himself. 1. We know that Moses began offering sin sacrifice that eventually led to Christ's Sacrifice. 2. We know that Moses established the LAW from God that Christ fulfilled. 3. We know that Moses built the movable Sanctuary of God that eventually became a Temple of stone and now we are the Temple where God dwells. 4. We know Moses did many things knowing eventually these would become the physical embodiment of God Himself. 5. Moses was well educated for his day, alongside being groomed to become a Pharaoh, who was generally quite blessed with knowledge. So, Moses, was a very bright and educated man. But how he wrote the Genesis Creation Account, gives no reason to think there was more to understand or there was a lack of detail to be questioned. A. When we read God created the "Expanse (distance) of the Heavens," Science turned that into the Big Bang. B. When we read God created the Luminaries and set them into the Expanse of the Heavens, Science turned this into the Cosmic Microwave Background and used it by multiplying Distance with Time. C. When we read God's Creation from Sunrise to Sunset per each day, Science claims this time can be debated to equate for the 13.4 Billion year old Theory. D. When we read that God created the Behemoth with Man on the same day (Book of Job Chapters 37-39), Science turned that into one Species evolved into the next Species. E. When we read God took the Dust of the Earth, Spat into it, Formed Man, Breathed LIFE into his nostrils, Science turned this into a Process of Evolution. But Nowhere, does Moses leave room for Science to interfere, interject, apply their own Reasoning. And still, here we are discussing, that had Evolution been the true process God used, Moses clearly would have understood and wrote it down. Moses clearly understood God on building the Objects that resembled what is in Heaven and other Celestial symbolism's and understood they were Temporary till the future Messiah would complete them all. To understand what can be found in the Kingdom of God is more delicate than the Process of Evolution. There really is no place we find where Moses left us to wonder if the Process we read should be interpreted by human understanding. And if we broke it down for the Younger Generations, we have to include how Science "inflated" every perception of Time, Distance, and the act of Life Itself.

You are discussing the Neutral Theory: The Null Hypothesis of Molecular Evolution. But in your previous post, you assured me that Chance, because of Darwin's proof, was not a factor. But in the literal definition and explanation of the Neutral Theory, it clearly states: [However, under the neutral theory, the whole process is governed by chance, whereas under the selection theory, selection plays a major role and only selectively advantageous mutants can fix in the population.] So, are you flip flopping between Neutral and Selection? Because under one, CHANCE is the major factor and the other, Selection is the major factor. Which means, I am right on both accounts concerning either Theory. And you are talking in Circles!

As much as I agree with this, what if by promoting Science has the Answers to explain Genesis Chapters 1 and 2, causes those undecided, to ultimately refuse God over Science because a Believer in God is promoting Science explains the truth about God's Creation? Now, under that circumstance, we [are not] the same Believers, we are now unequally yoked. And Christ said it would be better to have a millstone attached to us and drown us to cause anyone to find reason to Deny God.

The best Scriptural Evidence that Elohim is Singular, not Plural, is found in the Hebrew Scroll of Exodus. First of all, we know in the Gospel of John, Chapter 8, Verse 58, Yeshua ADMITS that He is I AM, which we learn originally from the Burning Bush/Moses Passage. So, the Representation of God in the Burning Bush Passage is the Pre-Incarnate Christ. Shemot - Exodus - Chapter 3 6And He said, "I am the Elohim of your father, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob." And Moses hid his face because he was afraid to look toward Elohim. ^ And when Moses asked Elohim, WHOM should I tell the Hebrew People Who sent me? Elohim's response: 14Elohim said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" And in Chapter 6, Elohim confesses to being someone else that we know as a Name of God. 2Elohim spoke to Moses, and He said to him, "I am the Lord. 3I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob with [the name] Almighty Elohim, but [with] My name YHWH, I did not become known to them. ^ So, the Pre-Incarnate Christ confesses to being Elohim, I AM, and YHWH [which is YAHWEH] in the Book of Shemot - Exodus - Chapter 3 and 6! The Amazing things we learn from reading the Torah/Tanakh!!

In terms of Evolving into a newer Species for [[SURVIVAL]] or Adaption, all it has is INTENT! So, you are trying to add Murder to God's Creation whether you accept it or not.

I see where you are getting this baloney from. A Darwin evolutionist trying to make his hero look better. But all that was stated was it boils down to Natural Laws along with Natural Selection. So, it now all boils down to MURDERING traits not useful for traits that will help a Species to Adapt. So, you're talking in Circles! Like I said, and we will remove CHANCE, but you think MURDER in God's CREATION of Multiple forms of LIFE was the Process God used. Wow, if that IDEA does not stem from the pits of HELL, nothing does!

No, his theory on [observed Adaption] was not by chance. Nice try to make Darwin look like he is working in line with Scripture. You should try stand up comedy next!

Ultimately, Evolution is about CHANCE and about Natural Selection [MURDER]. To equate CHANCE and MURDER to God's Creation, is like a BUFFOON trying to write anything comprehensible.

The Apostle Paul, as Saul, was a cold blooded Murderer. Because of his past, should we ignore his 13 Letters?

If you are a person who never heard of God, never been to church and heard what is being preached, how is that person able to be saved? If you are a person who stumbles into Church, listens to what the Preacher is saying, now that person has some clue to knowing a small portion of who God is. That is more than enough for God to give Faith to that person to Believe in God. Therefore, that person Heard the Word being preached, which [caused] the chain reaction to where God granted them Faith to Believe.

From my own observations, I believe the biggest hindrance towards those filled with the Holy Spirit and those who obey the Holy Spirit are man's traditions. And I have been caught up and guilty of this myself. You read Scripture, then you have what has been preached based upon that same Scripture versus true interpretation. One of the most fatal Deceptions we will ever face, is the difference between wrong interpretation that has become a Staple due to its Tradition. Now, if it is a Tradition that goes all the way back to Christ, the Apostles, and then the Church Fathers themselves, it generally is Gospel. But, if it is a Tradition that is only a couple hundred years old and has literally no connections to Christ, the Apostles, and the Church Fathers, it's going to become a Battle Zone. First and Foremost, Scripture will have to be purposefully misaligned and out of context to anyone reading the Holy Word of God. Secondly, the Message will be one that has been brainwashed to those who NEVER read the Word of God. And lastly, the Doctrine will be a Staple to the general Organization. So, a Person feels good because they attend a Church where this is one of the Core Beliefs, it is Preached rather often, and Everyone feels good because the Lie they believe makes them feel comfortable and safe. ^ So naturally, anyone who reads the Word for themselves, who meditates and waits upon the Holy Spirit for proper translation, is facing a Major dilemma because the Core Believers are literally nowhere on the Same Page. And now rather than debating Fact for fact, you are Debating knowledge that is simply been wrongfully taught by Preachers. And that basically puts You against the word of Preachers and that is a very difficult task to overcome. So yes, the Deception is very Great. So Great, it will literally take an Act of God to Reverse.

The Light, Have you ever read the Process of how several Hebrewaic Words were translated into Greek? Let's take the example of the Hebrew/Aramaic Word Yeshua Ya-shu-wa Problem number one, Greek had no letter for Y back then. That only leaves one suggestion. What word [SOUNDS LIKE] Yeshua by using Greek Letters = the best they could come up with was JESUS, or pronounced [Ja-zeus]. Ja-Zeus might [SOUND LIKE] Yeshua, but it is NOWHERE close in Meaning to Yeshua. Now, Imagine the Septuagint [Greek Translation of the Hebrew Scrolls] having No Letters for all Hebrew Words using the Letter "Y." How many mis-translations do you think account just for that issue? That does not include any other issue, this is just ONE Example! So any time we are able to use the Hebrew, which is OUR FACTUAL Old Testament, we better jump on it for Proper Translation. And we have Sofars [Scribes] to this very day well Versed in both Hebrew and English. So we know that what we read in the Torah/Tanakh is as factual as it gets.

You've already proven what many here already expected and can see. I suggest moving on from interacting with myself because Corrie Ten Boom has properly described the [works] you're attempting to push. And there is literally NO VERSE that puts a secret Coming by Christ. Even Polycarp, the Disciple of the Apostle John tells us in his Letter to the Philippines Christ returns ONLY ONE MORE time but as JUDGE and KING. If the Church Father's [NEVER] preached what you're preaching, it's a Safe Bet what you're Preaching is WRONG!!

No, i am using the HEBREW and you are using the Translation of a Translation that should read like the Hebrew! Like I said, you are not able to interpret Scripture. That's obvious by how you don't understand the Hebrew is Factual and everything else should align to it.

Not a single Verse states Rapture before Tribulation. Let me enlighten you on something: Daniel 12:7 7 And I heard the man clad in linen, who was above the waters of the river, and he raised his right hand and his left hand to the heavens, and he swore by the Life of the world, that in the time of [two] times and a half, and when they have ended shattering the strength of the holy people, all these will end. זוָֽאֶשְׁמַ֞ע אֶת־הָאִ֣ישׁ | לְב֣וּשׁ הַבַּדִּ֗ים אֲשֶׁ֣ר מִמַּעַל֘ לְמֵימֵ֣י הַיְאֹר֒ וַיָּ֨רֶם יְמִינ֚וֹ וּשְׂמֹאלוֹ֙ אֶל־הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וַיִּשָּׁבַ֖ע בְּחֵ֣י הָֽעוֹלָ֑ם כִּי֩ לְמוֹעֵ֨ד מֽוֹעֲדִ֜ים וָחֵ֗צִי וּכְכַלּ֛וֹת נַפֵּ֥ץ יַד־עַם־קֹ֖דֶשׁ תִּכְלֶ֥ינָה כָל־אֵֽלֶּה: This is Christ, pre-Incarnate Christ, or the WORD before made Flesh Speaking: 1. that in the time of [two] times and a half = First/Second Half of Tribulation 2. and when they have ended shattering the strength of the holy people, all these will end. ^ My question: How can the Holy People be in the process of having their Strength Shattered during both Time Periods of the Tribulation [IF] the Holy People are Pre-Trib Raptured? It would be Impossible. So, Is the Pre-Incarnate Christ, the WORD [John 1:1] LYING?

Amen!

Stop trying to interpret Scripture. It's so completely biased and furthest from the real Spiritual Meaning. No doubt that Corrie Ten Boom has spoken the TRUTH concerning those pushing this False doctrine!