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What's in a Name? Yeshua, Yeshu, Iesu, Iesus, Jesus.
SACREDWARRIOR replied to Orion's topic in General Discussion
Hello, Hebrew is spoken in Jerusalem and Isreal today but not so in the days of JESUS it was KOINE greek that was the common language, the scribes and pharasees used Hebrew as a means of making themselves look more spiritual, much like the catholic church for years delivered their sermons in Latin. Yes his name would not have been pronounced with a hard "J" sound but would not have been commonly refered to as Yeshua either -
Do Christian Holidays (holy days) align with the scriptures?
SACREDWARRIOR replied to JohnD's topic in General Discussion
Hello, The holy feasts, holidays, festivals in the old testament, we set in place by GOD himself for a specific purpose, to rightly show man inadequate ability to please God, and to point to the MESSIAH / CHRIST . when Christ came as fulfillment the necessity to observe them became mute. I have witness a satyr, very cool as you can see clearly its purpose in reveling Christ.. the Jews missed this and altered it to mean the coming of Elijah. so in short the observance of any holiday (holy day) is choice rather than command, or right or wrong... [Rom 14:5-6 ] 5 One [person] values one day over another, another values every day [the same.] Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and the one who eats, does so with regard to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and the one who does not eat, [it is] for the Lord [that] he does not eat, and he gives thanks to God. THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!! Clarence -
Not true, The angel in this passage is sending a message to a functioning first century church founded by Paul, who had become lukewarm, he was not refering to "CHURCH" as individuals who are in Christ....
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Good Morning All, First, to clarify the passage in Revelation, He is not talking about Christians (THOSE WHO ARE TRULY IN CHRIST) He is talking to a group of religionists....who play the game the Greek word is used for SPIT/SPEW is a violent VOMITING...so would Jesus, say this about those that are His? so the term "LUKE WARM CHRISTIAN" IS NOT REALLY A BIBLICAL TERM... All who are truly saved, will be raptured to be with Christ...He will lovingly embrace them as his children no matter where they are at in their walk... [1Corinthians 3:12-15 ] 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation [with] gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on [it] endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. This passage illustrates more accurately the weak vs strong christian ( TRULY IN CHRIST)... and will occur at the BEMA SEAT... THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!! Clarence
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THIS IS MY LAST REPLY... 7 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. the "HE" in the verse above refers back to the last proper pronoun as per GREEK GRAMMAR RULES and the first previous pronoun IS MESSIAH... the "HE" is JESUS not a/c.. THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!!! Clarence
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Let Me start by clarifying, ONE WEEK, that phrase most often refers back to DANIEL where AN ANGEL declares 70 weeks have been determined for YOUR PEOPLE (JEWS), and at the time of the angelic visitation to Daniel He was contemplating an earlier prophecy given through JEREMIAH. The angel explains that the weeks are symbolic of YEARS, we know that at the time of Christ ISRAEL was in the MIDST OF THE 69TH WEEK OF YEARS, LEAVING ONE FINAL CYCLE A 7 YEAR PERIOD to yet fulfill the prophecy of Daniel. the argument with those who study scripture involves, when does or did, the 70th week of years (Daniel) begin / begins. I hold to what is known as a PARTIAL PRETERIST view, meaning that I believe that the 70th week has been PARTIALLY FULFILLED. but a remainder of it is yet to come to pass...The pause in the 70th week of Daniel occurred, at the death of CHRIST....as stated in Daniels prophecy "MESSIAH WILL BE CUT OFF AND HAVE NOTHING..." i AGREE that it is likely that sacrifices would have continued after Jesus death and following ...up to the time that Titus destroyed the temple, but, the sacrifices would be rendered invalid and sacrilege, in light of JESUS DEATH AND RESURRECTION, (propitiation) for all men then and future.\ as part of the OLIVET DISCOURSE (MATTHEW 24, LUKE 21. ETC ) THREE QUESTIONS ARE BROUGHT TO JESUS. as they are walking the disciples brting Jesus' attention to the beautiful temple in all its adornment...and JESUS TELLS THEM "...I TELL YOU THAT ONE STONE SHALL NOT BE LEFT UPON ANOTHER..... referring to a future destruction of the temple they were speaking of... Then three questions are posed to JESUS, 1." TELL US WHEN WILL THESE THINGS HAPPEN (THE TEMPLES DESTRUCTION)? 2. "WHAT WILL BE THE SIGN OF YOUR COMING"? 3. WHAT WILL BE TE SIGN OF THE END OF THE AGE? Jesus then begins, answering their questions.... what I indicated, is the destruction of the temple brought about by TITUS is not part of the 70 weeks, per se' it is rather a direct answer to the disciples question. the 70 weeks are discussed after Jesus answers with the "..NOT ONE STONE COMMENT.." THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!!, Clarence
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LOL to disprove me !!!, IN DANIEL 9:27 THE "HE" IS JESUS AT HIS RESURRECTION...THE TEMPLE WAS MADE DESOATE (non functioning) when the curtain/veil was torn in two....so that the high priest could no longer go and offer sacrifices...... the destruction of the Temple later under Titus, is/was not the abomination of desolation....it was simple the fulfillment of JESUS prophecy that one stone would not be left upon another.... THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION ROARS!! Clarence
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IF YOU READ CAREFULLY, the "HE" IS JESUS AND THE TEMPLE DESOLATION (making it null and void) WAS THE RENDING OF THE CURTAIN SEPARATING THE HOLY OF HOLIES!!!
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For those who hold an interest in " END TIMES" (eschatology), much speculation and interest has been devoted to...."THE MARK" what it is, how it will be enforced, where it will be placed etc.... the real concern should be, understanding just WHO authorizes the mark to be created in the first place & WHY!!!!! READ CAREFULLY the passages below..........GOD HIMSELF BRINGS THE DECEPTION AND GIVES THE BEAST THE POWER AND OR AUTHORITY... TO CARRY IT OUT.....NOW READ CAREFULLY, ON WHO & WHY!!!! [Rev 13:16-17 NASB95] 16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and [he provides] that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, [either] the name of the beast or the number of his name. [2Thessalonians 2:9-12 ] 9 [that is,] the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, WITH ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND FALSE WONDERS 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, BECAUSE they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason GOD WILL SEND UPON THEM them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they ALL MAY BE JUDGED who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness. [Rev 17:13, 17 NASB95] 13 "These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast. ... 17 "For GOD HAS PUT IT IN THEIR HEARTS TO EXECUTE """"""HIS""""""" PURPOSE by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.
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DURING A RECENT DISCUSSION WITH MY DAUGHTER ON THE CHRISTIAN RESPONSIBILITY OF CHOOSING WHO YOUR GOING TO VOTE FOR. A MILD DEBATE AROSE, RATHER PERSONAL (BIBLICAL) CONVICTIONS PLAYED A ROLE IN YOUR CHOICE OF A CANDIDATE. WE BOTH AGREED THAT IT DOES, HOWEVER, THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE DEBATE, WAS SHOULD YOU VOTE WITHIN THE MAJOR PARTIES? OR STICK WITH PERSONAL CONVICTIONS IF THERE WAS A TRULY SPIRITUAL INDEPENDENT I ARGUED THAT YOU MUST CHOOSE BETWEEN THE 2 PARTY (REPS & DEMS) BECAUSE OTHER VOTES ARE BASICALLY THROWN AWAY OR WORSE A VOTE TOWARD YOUR OPPOSITION. HERE IS THE QUESTION, I BELIEVE IN THE TOTAL SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD, HE CHOOSES RULERS, AND DEPOSES THEM....WE CAN SEE THIS CLEARLY IN THE O.T THROUGH KINGS, AND JUDGES, & CHRONICLES....ALSO IN THE N.T....... SO, FROM A MORALITY STAND POINT........SHOULD ( OR, CAN) WE VOTE FOR A CANDIDATE, WHO SUPPORTS IMMORALITY (HOMOSEXUAL SPECIAL RIGHTS, ABORTION, ETC..) AS A PLATFORM? SECONDLY, IS THIS A COMPROMISE TO OUR SO CALLED FAITH CONVICTIONS? [Luke 20:25 ] 25 And He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." IN THIS PASSAGE, WE SEE JESUS TEACHING TO SEPARATE THE TWO MORAL CHOICES BY BEING OBEDIENT TO BOTH LAW & SCRIPTURE.... [Titus 3:1 ] 1 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, [Romans 13:1, 4-7 ] 1 Every person is to be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. ... 4 for it is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a servant of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for [rulers] are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is due them: tax to whom tax [is due;] custom to whom custom; respect to whom respect; honor to whom honor. Interestingly, I don't find anywhere in scripture where we are told HOW/WHO TO VOTE FOR! What I do see, is the multi faceted purpose GOD uses for authority.... to, PROTECT, TO PROSECUTE, AND TO EXECUTE HIS JUDGEMENT...... AS A CHRISTIAN, I CANNOT SUPPORT WHAT SCRIPTURE CONDEMNS IN CHOOSING A PERSON FOR LEADERSHIP........PERHAPS YOUR CONSCIENCE ALLOWS FOR THAT..... ( no judgement). I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS VERY POPULAR VERSE... [Joshua 24:15] 15 "But if it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served, which were beyond the [Euphrates] River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." MAY GOD GRANT WISDOM IN YOUR CHOICE!! THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!!!!!
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So I have been thinking lately about where we go at the resurrection / rapture.or for that matter when we die. .....many theory's exist... I have begun to think possibly inter-dimensional...a different plane of reality hidden at this time from our senses unless the beings (angels / demons) choose to be seen. [Rev 6:14-17 NKJV] 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" THOUGHTS? THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION ROARS!!!
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Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position
SACREDWARRIOR replied to George's topic in Eschatology
Hello , The PRE WRATH position got its start in the early 1990's by a Man named Marvin Rosenthal who was influenced by his friend Robert Van Kampen, a wealthy businessman from Chicago...Marvin wrote a book called "THE PREWRATH RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH" and Robert Van Kampen wrote his compendium on the subject called "THE SIGN" and started a ministry called "THE SIGN MINISTRIES" . Over the next few years more books would be published, and the position began to take a foothold and now is one of the top held beliefs. Its difference from what is typically known as mid trib, is that the rapture will occur at some unspecified time after the rise of the a/c which occurs at the mid point. I was fortunate to be an associate of Van Kampen and spent many hours under his personal teaching, I also knew Marvin Rosenthal, Charles Cooper, and others who were instrumental in the rise in popularity of the prewrath position.... I have since drifted slightly away from the classic position as they taught it, but still hold to the basic concepts...WE WILL FACE THE A/C if we are alive at that time...which appears to be closing in quickly. THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION ROARS!! Clarence -
WHEN DID/DO THE END TIMES , AS SPOKEN IN THE BIBLE BEGAN/BEGAN? popular belief #1, is an end time period of 7 years where both satan & Jesus duke it out for control of mankind. satans champion known as the anti-christ.... It May surprise you to know that a 7 year period of this nature CAN NOT BE FOUND WITHIN THE PAGES OF THE BIBLE!!!!! The Prophet Daniel, speaks of a period of 70 weeks of years.....hence....7 year divisions per se. it is however not given emphatically as to how these weeks of years are to be split up......we know FROM SCRIPTURE When the 69th week began/concluded.....but again this is A WHOLE not a perfect mathematical divide. the rest of the puzzle, wrests on how you interpret the "HE" IN DANIEL 9:27 [Dan 9:27 ] 27 "And he will confirm a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week "HE" WILL PUT A STOP TO SACRIFICE AND GRAIN OFFERINGS; and on the wing of abominations [will come] the one who makes desolate, until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, gushes forth on the one who makes desolate." after years of study and comparing scripture with scripture and following every passage...I CLEARLY SEE THE "HE" AS JESUS not the anti-christ which is a popular view...... you might say, "WHEN DID JESUS MAKE THE SACRIFICE & GRAIN OFFERINGS DESOLATE?" [Matthew 27:51 NASB20] 51 And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. [Mark 15:38 NASB20] 38 And the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. [Luke 23:45 NASB20] 45 because the sun stopped shining; and the veil of the temple was torn in two. APPLYING , the former to the latter, jesus himself put a stop to the sacrifice and offerings.....NOT A FUTURE ANTI CHRIST!!! So using this principle, it can be understood why the new testament speaks ONLY OF A 3.5 YEAR PERIOD ALLOTTED TO SATAN AND HIS CHAMPION to have their attempt, Peter says, [1Pe 4:12, 17] 12 Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial WHICH IS TO TRY "YOU", as though some strange thing happened to you; ... 17 For the time [has come] for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if [it begins] with us first, what will [be] the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? or you may prefer the biblical view of "SEPARATING THE WHEAT & TARES, I.E SHEEP AND GOAT JUDGEMENT" THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION ROARS
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JESUS / GOD SAME PERSON...THATS FOR US... not himself PLUS THE CONTEXT
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HOGWASH [Mal 1:3 NASB20] 3 but I HAVE HATED Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and [given] his inheritance to the jackals of the wilderness." [Rom 9:13 NASB20] 13 Just as it is written: "JACOB I HAVE LOVED, BUT ESAU I HAVE HATED."
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Will the Unbelieving Dead Become Non-Existent? (Annihilationism)
SACREDWARRIOR replied to angels4u's topic in Study Group
[Rev 14:11 ] 11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." -
TEMPLE.......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....PT 2 [Revelation 21:22] 22 I (JOHN) saw NO TEMPLE IN IT, for the THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE IT'S TEMPLE QUESTION? What happened to the (at this point) recently constructed 3rd temple? "IF" a 3rd temple is integral to the a/c's schemes why are we not told of its destruction? unanswerable questions, i understand...but together they should cause us to examine what is being said. throughout scripture, we get glimpses of GOD's Throne room Isaiah, Daniel, Revelation, Etc.....but where is this if (and HE IS) GOD is omnipresent? [Daniel 12:11] 11 "From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, [there will be] 1,290 days. Before I delve into the sacrifice here, lets talk about timing....1290 days....or little over 3.5 years. clearly seen as occurring during the 70th week. is it first half or second half? OR STRETCHING within both? I lean toward both..... [Mathew 24:15-16] 15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then those who are in Judea MUST FLEE TO THE MOUNTAINS How Long (or quickly) can one flee? 30 days perhaps? SO LETS RECAP...WHAT I'M SAYING.......JEWS are going to be Praying and preparing to worship freely (PERHAPS WITH HOPE OF BUILDING A TEMPLE) CRYING OUT TO GOD (DAILY SACRIFICE) AND SOMEONE IS GOING TO COME TO POWER AND PUT A STOP TO ALL OF IT AND DEMAND WORSHIP....AND THEY ARE TO FLEE THEIR HOMES IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT PREPARATION (LUKE 21:20-21) MORE TO COME..... THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION ROARS!!
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TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!! The debate is vast among believers on the subject of a 3rd temple in Jerusalem. For the record, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE WILL BE ONE.....nor do I believe any such structure for the purpose of sacrifice I.E TABERNACLE will be constructed.... Many if Not most believers are watching for this so called construct to be built basing their end times readiness on that event......However, DOES THE BIBLE ACTUALLY SAY THERE WILL BE A TEMPLE? [Rev 11:1-2 ] 1 Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, "Get up and measure the TEMPLE OF GOD AND THE ALTER, and those who worship in it. 2 "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months. One of the clearest passages indicating a temple, and to be certain, one that seems to indicate a third temples existence. during the 70th week. the structure described in the above passage, is a brick & mortar building...ruling out the TENT (tabernacle) theory so what explanation can there be? I believe that it is an illustration for John's benefit as He is writing the book of Revelation. However, if we look closely, some clear problems begin to unfold in this passage........TEMPLE OF GOD......IF THE JEWS ARE SUCCESSFUL in Building this Temple, to be used for ANIMAL SACRIFICE, can it be legitimately called TEMPLE OF GOD? when in fact it would be sacrilege for animal sacrifice to be instituted once again. the benefit would primarily exist to be a home base for the anti christ, not BELIEVERS OR JEWS.... yet in the passage above it seems to indicate a viable TEMPLE with the purpose of GODS dwelling place....so what is JOHN seeing? I believe He is simply seeing the Temple as it existed in HIS DAY...NOT a FUTURE rebuilt structure. I'll Admit I don't have all the answers...but I do know there will BE NO RIGHTEOUS PURPOSE for a third temple.... I will show later...how if this 3rd Temple is built, it must also be destroyed AGAIN..... THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION ROARS!!!!
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BABYLON CONTINUED..... The Glory of the city must have been incredible a sight to behold......raised up and brought low by GOD to carry out a specific purpose. the following passages indicate her outcome [Isa 13:19-22] 19 And Babylon, the beauty of kingdoms, the glory of the Chaldeans' pride, Will be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. 20 *****IT WILL NEVER BE INHABITED OR LIVED IN****** from generation to generation; Nor will the Arab pitch [his] tent there, Nor will shepherds make [their flocks] lie down there. 21 But desert creatures will lie down there, And their houses will be full of owls; Ostriches also will live there, and shaggy goats will frolic there. 22 Hyenas will howl in their fortified towers And jackals in their luxurious palaces. Her [fateful] time also will soon come And her days will not be prolonged. also, [Jeremiah 51:64) 64 and say, 'Just so shall Babylon SINK DOWN AND NOT RISE AGAIN because of the calamity that I am going to bring upon her; and they will become exhausted.'" Thus far are the words of Jeremiah. Contextual reading of these passages are clearly referencing the ancient city and its glory...conquered by the Medes & Persians after the fall of Belshazzar. so clearly the ancient physical city has been permanently laid to waste... never to rise as a world power or local.... That being the case there are clear and prominent end times passages referencing Babylon the Great..... A general study of the religious atmosphere of Babylon shows from the VERY BEGINNING pride, self worth/ worship bent on establishing a HUMAN WORLD DOMINANCE, eliminating the IDEA of a single supreme being.....though there was worship of gods in a polytheistic manner, most of those gods, were self serving and created and worshiped for the things that could be given to men.... As I have read through the responses in my former post...I see many people struggling with The eschatological identity....but remember Paul calls it mystery Babylon.....the resemblance that we can ascribe to America, as well as other countries and entities...is due to the fact THAT THE PROMINENT PHILOSOPHY OF THE DAY WILL BE SELF SUFFICIENCY.....Psalms 2 , THIS WILL BE A WORLDWIDE VIEW not centered in any physical country or location..... THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!!!!!!