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How can that be possible when all breathing creatures where destroyed in the flood, except Noah and his family. And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained [alive], and they that [were] with him in the ark. - Gen 7:21-23 KJV

According to Peter and Jude the fallen angels are in hell in chains reserved for the day of Judgement. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; - 2Pe 2:4 KJV And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. - Jde 1:6 KJV Demons and Fallen Angels are not the same. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim (Gen 6). I can quote you sources but you will most likely will not accept them because they come from the Book of Enoch and Book of Jasher. 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them. - Enoch 15 Michael Heiser does some excellent teaching of this.

Exactly how is it a false teaching? I guess we need to toss out the Book of Ezekiel as well according to your doctrine. Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, [but] hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment, [That] hath taken off his hand from the poor, [that] hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live. - Eze 18:16-17 KJV I guess we need to toss out James as well: What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. ... But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? ... Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? ... Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. - Jas 2:14-17, 20, 22, 24 KJV And I guess we need to toss out Jesus teachings as well: Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me. - Mat 25:34-40 KJV Exactly your reading from a Catholic translation of the Apocrypha. Try reading from the Septuagint that predates the Roman Catholic Church.

There are some strange things that have occurred in our bible. Just because you think it is strange does not mean it was not of God. Jonah swallowed by a fish and lived in it for 3 day; God caused a bear to kill a bunch of children for making fun of Elisha; Joshua told the Sun and Moon to stop for a whole day; Snake and donkey speaking to people; God turned Lots wife into a pillar of salt; God told Ezekiel to cook bread using his own poop; God told Hosea to marry a prostitute; Jesus cast demons into a bunch of pigs; Jesus spit in the mouth and eyes of blind deaf man; Jesus told Peter to catch a fish to find a silver coin in its mouth to pay taxes, Jesus turned water into wine, and many more strange stories. Peter says pretty much the same thing. And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity [alms] shall cover the multitude of sins. Use hospitality one to another without grudging. - 1Pe 4:8-9 KJV What translation are you using? Sounds like you reading from a bad translation here is what I read: For alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin. Those that exercise alms and righteousness shall be filled with life: Tobit 12.:9 For thou layest up a good treasure for thyself against the day of necessity. Because that alms do deliver from death, and suffereth not to come into darkness. Tobit 4:9-10 Sounds familiar to what Jesus said: Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." - Mat 19:21 Sounds like your reading from a very bad translation here is what I read: And when he had made a gathering throughout the company to the sum of two thousand drachms of silver, he sent it to Jerusalem to offer a sin offering, doing therein very well and honestly, in that he was mindful of the resurrection: 2 Mac 12:43

Or even captured and taken by man on boats. Cross migration could have happened many ways other than the Pangea theory.

Yes, having a BLM sign on your window and a marijuana rainbow flag, are classic signs of a deranged Trump supporter, especially living in Berkeley, CA which is known as one of the biggest Trump supporting towns in 'Merica.

Yes, I know a Jubilee is 7yrs of 7 or 49 years, but is celebrated on the 50th year, some teach the next cycle of 7 years x 7 starts at the end of the 50th year, but others teach that 50th year is the 1st yr of the next cycle. I am not 100% sure either way.

Yes, I am having a hard time reconciling the 2000+ year gap theory. It just does not make sense to say 490yrs has been determined upon you people, then say well there is this huge gap between the last 7 yrs that last some 2000+ years. Nothing in scripture accounts for this huge gap...at least I am not finding. I honestly believe the 70AD Temple destruction and desolation of Jerusalem somehow fits into this equation some how.

Yes I am with you, too fishy. I am sure we are going to see more political stunts blamed on Trump supporters up until Nov 8 then we move into legal battles of who won the election that will go on for many months.

That is my point your saying 458bc, she is saying 444bc. There seems to be confusion on the decree start dates based on different decrees given by the King of Persia. 538 B.C. — Cyrus, King of Persia, issued a decree to Zerubbabel to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem (2 Chronicles 36:22-23; Ezra 1:1-3; and Ezra 6:1-5). 457 B.C. — Artaxerxes, King of Persia, issued a decree to Ezra authorizing him to reinstitute the Temple services, appoint judges and magistrates, and teach the Law (Ezra 7:11-26). 445 B.C. — Artaxerxes issued a decree to Nehemiah to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem (Nehemiah 2:1-8).

That is because you are trying to mix scriptures that were not meant to be mixed. The reference of those in Judea should flee in reference the the armies surrounding her is not the same reference that the people of the earth to flee God's wrath at the 6th seal when they see the sun, moon darkened and they see the signs of the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

I agree with you for the most part, but I would say the 6th seal is not the wrath of God but the precursor to the 7th seal that brings God's wrath. The 6th seal is the comic disturbance signs in the heavens of his coming which causes the people of the earth to flee from his coming wrath. Joel, say the sun and moon will be darkened, before the great and terrible day of God's wrath. The 6th seals declares at its end "For the great day of his wrath is come", it is the 7th seal that release all the judgements and wrath on mankind. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? - Rev 6:12-17 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. - Mat 24:29-31 KJV The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. - Joe 2:31

And Baal means Lord...what is your point?

It is true that God did not desire a human king over Israel, but made an exception for them and even warned them that having a King will mean that he will rule over your children and force them to become servants in his army and impose a taxes on them to fund his army and palaces, but this has always been true of all of Israel's kings since Saul, and not just under Netanyahu. So Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who asked him for a king. And he said, "This will be the behavior of the king who will reign over you: He will take your sons and appoint [them] for his own chariots and [to be] his horsemen, and [some] will run before his chariots. "He will appoint captains over his thousands and captains over his fifties, [will set some] to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and [some] to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. "He will take your daughters [to be] perfumers, cooks, and bakers. "And he will take the best of your fields, your vineyards, and your olive groves, and give [them] to his servants. "He will take a tenth of your grain and your vintage, and give it to his officers and servants. "And he will take your male servants, your female servants, your finest young men, and your donkeys, and put [them] to his work. "He will take a tenth of your sheep. And you will be his servants. "And you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the LORD will not hear you in that day." Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, "No, but we will have a king over us, "that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles." And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he repeated them in the hearing of the LORD. So the LORD said to Samuel, "Heed their voice, and make them a king." And Samuel said to the men of Israel, "Every man go to his city." - 1Sa 8:10-22

It does. Its under the PS2 tab.

By what standard? I see nothing contradicting about Psalm 151.

I agree with much of what you said. The argument boils down to possession or oppression. I don't believe a truly born again can have a demonic demon living in their spirit along side the Holy Spirit, but I do believe Christians can have a demonic spirit(s) attached to their the soul and flesh. Our bodies are the temple of God. The temple had three parts (Holy of Holies = Heart, Holy Place= Soul, and the Outer Courts = Flesh). God showed Ezekiel how Israel had set up evil idols inside the court of the Temple and Holy Place, but no mention of Idols in the Holy of Holies. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? - 1Co 6:19 KJV So wither a Christian has a demon in their spirit, soul, or flesh, it still means they have a demon that needs to be dealt with, because God will not abide permanently in a temple that serves evil/sin. Just like he eventually left the Temple because Israel's refusal to repent and remove their idols from the Temple.

Where are you getting this date? I have seen numerous dates/years for the decree. How do we know for sure which one is correct? I am sure one could say that you can work backwards but that seems like a dishonest way and forcing dates to fit our theory.

This is one I like to use that you might like, has a KJV side comparison: http://qbible.com/brenton-septuagint/

No. It says when you see them surrounding Jerusalem, not occupying. Yes, the people of Judea are told flee before the invasion happens. And it does not say armies from the north but all nations. "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written. Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people. They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. - Luk 21:20-24 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him. - Zec 14:2-5 For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side - Luk 19:43 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days. - Rev 12:6

Abraham within 400 years after the flood that wiped out earths population, were experiencing sever drought and food shortages. Earth population was dramatically smaller during Abraham's life time and estimated to be only a few million at max others say much small and mostly concentrated near the middle east. Abraham had to leave Canaan twice to avoid famine and drought. Joseph 3 or 4 generations later predicted a world wide famine that lasted 7 years. It must have been caused by all the industrial pollution from Babylonian and Egyptian capitalism (sarcasm).

Psalms were not written in chronological order and was written over hundreds of years to include many authors: David, Asaph, the Sons of Korah, Solomon, Heman, Ethan, Moses, and other unknown authors.

They apocrypha were in the Septuagint text long before there was such thing as the RCC. The Septuagint predates Christ by a several hundred years. Also, the apocrypha books were also found in dead sea scrolls.

Agreed....will be exposed and judged. I pray often for our leaders that God will expose them and their evil plots and that God will raise up righteous leaders to replace them who will correct evil and demand justice according to his will. God hears the prayers of the righteous. We see God working overturning abortion laws in nearly every state. Who would have thought? God will not allow evil to go unpunished.

You keep mentioning the northern army occupying and destroying Israel, when scriptures clearly say the armies from all nations will surround Israel in the last days for battle. The only northern army that I can think of that will descended upon Israel are defeated in the northern mountains of Israel, not Jerusalem according Eze 38/39, many say this could be referring to Rev 20 at the end thousand year reign of Christ. Also, Daniel 9 when referring to the northern and southern kingdom is referring to Greece and Eygpt which has already taken place. Who are you calling the northern army??? I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. And I will enter into judgment with them there, on behalf of my people and my heritage Israel, because they have scattered them among the nations and have divided up my land, - Joe 3:2 ESV For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. - Zec 14:2-4 ESV "Therefore wait for me," declares the LORD, "for the day when I rise up to seize the prey. For my decision is to gather nations, to assemble kingdoms, to pour out upon them my indignation, all my burning anger; for in the fire of my jealousy all the earth shall be consumed. - Zep 3:8 ESV Let the nations stir themselves up and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; for there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations. - Joe 3:12 ESV