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  1. You left out the "if necessary part" I just don't see any of them not joining in before it's over. When you are taught something from birth, you seldom change. Israel has offered to be good neighbors to them for decades, if they would just stop killing the Jewish people. It isn't going to happen until they break away from Islamic law. Don't think this is what I wish to happen, I'm just looking at the reality of the situation.
  2. Well call it what you wish, the scripture I quoted disagrees with you.
  3. Actually, that was Jesus that said that. In the Torah, as you call it, it goes like this:
  4. I can see that we are on two different levels of thought here. Hot dogs are not a religion, and we are not forced to like them. Palestinians are Islamic and are forced to follow Mohammad and if they don't terrible things happen to them (by their own people) That is the life of Islam. And if you are going to exist around or among them, one should really learn what makes them click. I have not been saying all the people of Gaza should be killed, only the members of Hamas who are sworn to the death to drive the Jews out of Israel. They are actually rewarded when they die for the effort of trying to do so. Because of that situation, the only recourse that Israel has is to either convert them to Christianity or do them in, or there will never be peace in Israel. Israel is quite capable of doing this and if the people really want to rid of Hamas they should help Israel get the job done.
  5. That is always possible, however when polled it is my understanding that 84% of them agreed with the killing of the 1,200 Jews that were killed. The people of Gaza have a history, and from the start they wanted Jews dead and out of the land that Allah once dominated. The only way out for the People of Gaza, if they truly are Islamic would be to back Hamas. If there are some that are not truly followers of Mohammad, I guess I would have to agree with you, but according to Sharia, they should have been killed long ago.
  6. In March 1968 I swore an oath to protect the constitution to the point of giving my life for it. (Maybe not wise but is reality) We do that because we care for our country. So while I don't disagree that it might have been difficult for them to do that, but it can be done and has been done throughout history. It really isn't a choice they would make if they are followers of Mohammad, though, for they have already pledged themselves to Sharia.
  7. If some say I should happen to be killed by a Mountain Lion, you can rest assured that my last words were, "Here kitty kitty."
  8. You keep replying to my responses on Hamas as being made against all Palestinians, so in reality you are saying that, though not directly. And that's why discussing with you is a waste of time.
  9. Hamas is not a nation, it's an army, and yes you can exterminate an army when they are hell-bent of killing all of you no matter what the cost.
  10. Well, considering the name "foolsmefoolsyou" I really have trouble with this from the start. However, before I consider it totally out there, I have to wonder if something happens to Joe and Kamala becomes president, who will they fill the VP position with. Since the CIA and Military are most likely running the country now, they might actually pick a general to be VP. The CIA and Military intelligent folks seem quite capable of overthrowing governments, so though I would rate this prediction as ultra highly unlikely, it's really not impossible.
  11. Israel is not doing that. They have made a safe place to go to and given them protection so they can get there. If they don't get out of the way of the destruction of the Hamas infrastructure it is on them, not Israel. The problem is that the people in Gaza voted Hamas as their government quite some time ago, so you can't really tell who is innocent and who isn't. I can be sure that if those people are truly Islamic and following the teachings of Mohammad, there are no innocents. They just should not have started killing the people in Israel. Did you see the video showing where the young Muslim was on the phone live telling his parents how he was killing Jews with his own bare hands and the proud parents telling him they were proud of him? The People in Gaza need freed from Islam, or they will never be at peace with anyone but themselves. We might be able to teach them about Jesus if they would stop killing Jews long enough to try and get through to them. However, that hasn't happened in the last 1300 years, so I doubt it will happen today. The killing will not stop until the Jews are driven out of their land. That's sharia law. What's behind it all??? If there are no Jews in Israel, there isn't anything for Jesus to return to. It wasn't Michael that met Mohammad in that cave, it was the devil himself, and he's attempted to keep God's chosen out of that area since way before they left Egypt.
  12. Ex 24:9-11 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink. KJV John 6:44-46 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. KJV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ Moses and friends saw the God of Israel and were not harmed. Jesus says that no man has seen the father except He that came from Him. So it seems to me that the Father that Jesus speaks of is not what that the Nation of Israel interfaced with in the Old Testament. Looking further: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John 1:1-10 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. KJV John 8:52-58 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. KJV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It seems to me to be saying that Jesus was what the Nation of Israel interfaced with in the Old Testament days. Jesus in this form was with the Father from the beginning. It seems to me that the people of the Old Testament days were not aware of the Father except for what they saw through the Jesus in the form he existed in before he became flesh. Further: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Phil 2:5-11Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. KJV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It appears to me that Jesus as the word was that which the Father worked through to manifest Himself to the people of the Old Testament times. Jesus did not regard himself to want to be the equal to the Father so He took the form of a human to further the works of the Father on earth. Jesus was deity by being in the form of God, but it was the Father that did the work through Him when he was the Word. It appears that the only thing that has changed is Jesus is now flesh working the same way only as a man. The Father exercises His will through Jesus, now in the fleshly body. `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John 14:10-11 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. KJV John 17:20-26 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. KJV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It seems to me that Jesus just extended the conduit from Him to us for the Father to do His work through Jesus to us so we could know the Father as the Father knows us. Thus we now can do the work of the Father. I believe this is the path and workings of the Holy Spirit ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` 1 Cor 15:20-28 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. KJV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jesus, before His ascension told the Apostles that all power and authority had been given to Him. After he has subdued everything Jesus will also be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him........ The Father. I don't see the Son always being equal with the Father, either when He was the word nor in the flesh. He will also be subject to the Father after He does the job of bringing the kingdom into it's full power over all and giving it to the Father. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1 Cor 8:4-6 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. KJV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interestingly, all three are one in thought, one in purpose, and one in action. We can't interface with the Father without being indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and we can't have the Holy Spirit without the sacrifice and request of Jesus, and we couldn't have had Jesus without the Father asking Him to do what he has done for us. You have to have all three or none. And thus they are one.
  13. This might help if you can grasp it.
  14. He's not one of my favorite people, however he isn't a psychopath.
  15. If it's Windows 10 or above, there is a little built in program called snipping tool. Get to it by typing snipping in the search box. Not the one in your browser, but the windows one. It will bring up an app. Select New and the scree will gray out slightly and leave a cross on the screen. Then you take that and put a box around what you want to copy and save it as a file, or you can just paste it directly into a post.
  16. Are you wanting to do it on a PC or phone or tablet?
  17. It is genocide to want to kill an army that is killing your people??? You just can't separate Hamas from all Palestinians, can you. The genocide is in your mind, not mine.
  18. I am an American citizen and live in the US, and it bothers me too. Ukraine mess is totally our doings. The so-called Deep State people have been plotting to get into an open war with Russia since before Bill Clinton was the president.
  19. Supposed to be or not, that is what the Islamic student believes. So it really doesn't matter if Mohammad said it or not (I tend to think he did). I'm not standing up for Islam, just pointing out that you can't trust anyone who follows what is written that Mohammad said or did. And I might add though that they need Jesus just as we do, and it is said they are finding him in large numbers.
  20. Bukhari's hadith is supposed to be a listing of the things that he heard Mohammad either say or do.
  21. No, you are looking at fear and calling it hatred. I studied their workings and decided they are very dangerous. If I bought into what Islam teaches, I would be your worst nightmare. Knowing their plans and how they work doesn't bring out hatred, but an understanding of what they want and how they usually achieve their goals throughout history. It isn't hatred, just a healthy respect for their danger, like one should have for poisonous snakes and such. What they did to Israel isn't an abnormal thing, it is Islam at it's core. But since you really don't seem to understand and put me down when I try and explain, it's difficult for me to interface with you, so I have decided not to.
  22. That means you are not conversing in any way to discuss things.
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