Replacement Theology

[wordsower]

Apparently there are many denominations that believe that the Church has become Israel and there is no longer any place for Israel in future events.  I have been in a very long dialogue with such a person and I'm not believing people are actually this arrogant!

Does anyone know which denominations teach this?  I can tell you Seventh day Adventists are one since that is the denomination of the man I have been discussing this with.

[Lanakila]

This replacement theology you are speaking of is called "Covenant Theology". Many denominations of the reformed stripe teach this. Some denominations have a looser hold on their individual churches, so they may not as a denomination teach this, but many members of that denomination actually believe it. This covenant theology also comes with it a a-mil or post-mil perspective. In other words they believe that we are already living in the millenium. To believe this you have to alegorize many, many scirptures.

[Guest okiejack]

I've never heard of "replacement theology" and I'm not a "pentacostal" but I believe that GOD's people now follow Christ. According to Jesus Christ He is the way of life and there is no other way to be saved. Anyone, including Jews, that denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD cannot be GOD's people. The Bible makes this perfectly clear.

[byHisGrace]

I am Pentecostal and proud of it!  I think what people mean by "replacement theology" is that all the scriptures in the New Testament that speak to the Jewish people and the nation of Isreal are really for Christians.  THIS IS FALSE DOCTRINE!!!  God is still dealing with the Jewish people-and in the end times-it will all come down to them!  Most of the "replacement theology" teachers are liberal in their interpretation of scripture, such as United Methodist, Presbyterian ect...

[wordsower]

Well, to clarify a little, the churches that believe this, whatever they call it, believe that the Israel is just a spot on the map in Palestine and that God is finished with the Jewish people and has no further plans for them.  That they must come to Jesus to be saved and be the Church.  There are too many prophecies that haven't been fulfilled until now for this to be so.  Romans tells us that God purposely blinded them so that the Gentiles could be saved and He will lift the veil from their eyes when the fullness of the Gentiles has come.

I did some research and it appears that Presbyterians and Catholics teach this along with the SDA's.

[godrulz]

There was a church years ago in Portand, Oregon

[Work in Progress]

Well, I have a dear friend who is SDA and she has no idea what you are talking about. So not all SDA's believe this I guess.

This replacement theology you are speaking of is called "Covenant Theology". Many denominations of the reformed stripe teach this.

I am a believer in Covenant Theology (as opposed to dispensationalism) and most definately am of the reformed faith. And I certainly don't believe this and did not hear it preached in the reformed church I attended for several years. Just wanted to let you know that.  

HOWEVER.....no man comes unto the Father except through the Son....jew or gentile...all are bound under sin and need His atonement. The absolute worst anti-semetic thing one could do is withhold the gospel from jewish people out of some belief that they have a different covenant of salvation.

Amen. ITA.

[wordsower]

WIP,

If your friends church doesn't teach that they are "Spiritual Israel" and the "Remnant"  I would be very surprised.  That is one of the fundamental beliefs of the SDA church and they have to accept it to be a member.  Seems like a lot of the SDA's who have grown up in the church don't know what they really believe.

[Guest FishMan]

I just came out of a denomination that ignores ALL prophecy relating to the endtimes, and not acknowledging God's current dealings with Israel is just the tip of the iceberg for that group.

I won't name the denomination on the boards (email me and I will tell you privately), but I will warn anyone who is experiencing the same thing to "BEWARE", because you probably aren't getting the nourishment you'll need when "all these things come to pass".

The church did not and will not take the place of the chosen people of God. Anyone who doubts this needs to figure out why their Bible doesn't have Romans 10-11 included!

[wordsower]

Amen Fishman!

I spelled out Romans 9, 10 and 11 in great detail to this person and still couldn't get through.  It was like talking to the wall.   Lord, bless them!