Is OSAS true

[larryt]

Jesus is saying he who is born of God will not have his name blotted from the book of life. There is not one case where the Bible refers to anyone born of God as no longer born of God.

Amen!!!

I remember I asked the question...Is there anyway for someone to be unborn. Basically can someone go back into thier mother's womb, and return to an egg and sperm. If there is, then I will believe that one born of God can be unborn of God.

We are a new creation/creature, one with spiritual life that is eternal/everlasting life.

Amen

LT

[Ovedya]

The issue as I see it boils down to what it is that secures and holds salvation. to the on who believes that salvation can be lost it is the person who secures and holds salvation. Salvation is entirely dependent upon the condition of the believer at any one time. There is little to no understanding or, more importantly, subjective experience of salvation.

To the one who believes that salvation is secure it is the very life of God, with the divine nature, which secures and holds salvation. This one is entirely dependent upon God as the source of the divine life. Therefore, regardless of condition, of subjective feeling, salvation is secure. To this one is the subjective experience and objective understanding of salvation by experience.

One can study all there is to know about a glass of milk and never comprehend or experience the subjective joy and physical gain from simply drinking that glass of milk.

[godrulz]

Jesus is saying he who is born of God will not have his name blotted from the book of life. There is not one case where the Bible refers to anyone born of God as no longer born of God.

Amen!!!

I remember I asked the question...Is there anyway for someone to be unborn. Basically can someone go back into thier mother's womb, and return to an egg and sperm. If there is, then I will believe that one born of God can be unborn of God.

Spiritual birth is analogous, not identical, to physical birth. You cannot press the analogy just to support your cause. There are as many differences as similarities.

[godrulz]

Jesus is saying he who is born of God will not have his name blotted from the book of life. There is not one case where the Bible refers to anyone born of God as no longer born of God.

Amen!!!

I remember I asked the question...Is there anyway for someone to be unborn. Basically can someone go back into thier mother's womb, and return to an egg and sperm. If there is, then I will believe that one born of God can be unborn of God.

We are a new creation/creature, one with spiritual life that is eternal/everlasting life.

Amen

LT

Eternal life is in Him, not inherent in us apart from Him (I Jn. 5:11-13). We cannot reject the Son and still claim to have life apart from remaining in Him as He commanded.

[larryt]

Jesus is saying he who is born of God will not have his name blotted from the book of life. There is not one case where the Bible refers to anyone born of God as no longer born of God.

Amen!!!

I remember I asked the question...Is there anyway for someone to be unborn. Basically can someone go back into thier mother's womb, and return to an egg and sperm. If there is, then I will believe that one born of God can be unborn of God.

Spiritual birth is analogous, not identical, to physical birth. You cannot press the analogy just to support your cause. There are as many differences as similarities.

Jesus did.

LT

[larryt]

Jesus is saying he who is born of God will not have his name blotted from the book of life. There is not one case where the Bible refers to anyone born of God as no longer born of God.

Amen!!!

I remember I asked the question...Is there anyway for someone to be unborn. Basically can someone go back into thier mother's womb, and return to an egg and sperm. If there is, then I will believe that one born of God can be unborn of God.

We are a new creation/creature, one with spiritual life that is eternal/everlasting life.

Amen

LT

Eternal life is in Him, not inherent in us apart from Him (I Jn. 5:11-13). We cannot reject the Son and still claim to have life apart from remaining in Him as He commanded.

so where does it say we can become unborn?

LT

[larryt]

This is not entirely true I believe you can turn from God after salvation simply because scriptures says you can. Does really need any suffisticated or subjective understanding or experience you weeith er believe what the Bible says or you dont.

I have a question related to this topic.

When is one's name written in the Book of Life and do you view the Book of Life and the Lamb's Book of Life as the same thing?

Rev 17:8 before the foundation of the world

LT

[larryt]

This is not entirely true I believe you can turn from God after salvation simply because scriptures says you can. Does really need any suffisticated or subjective understanding or experience you weeith er believe what the Bible says or you dont.

I have a question related to this topic.

When is one's name written in the Book of Life and do you view the Book of Life and the Lamb's Book of Life as the same thing?

Rev 17:8 before the foundation of the world

LT

one book or two?

The only one that matter for me is the Lamb's Book. He knew me from before the foundation of the world.

LT

[Ovedya]

Spiritual birth is analogous, not identical, to physical birth. You cannot press the analogy just to support your cause. There are as many differences as similarities.

Do you believe that, as a Christian you now share in the exactly same life (divine life) that Jesus possesses?

[godrulz]

This is not entirely true I believe you can turn from God after salvation simply because scriptures says you can. Does really need any suffisticated or subjective understanding or experience you weeith er believe what the Bible says or you dont.

I have a question related to this topic.

When is one's name written in the Book of Life and do you view the Book of Life and the Lamb's Book of Life as the same thing?

From the beginning of our time, names were being successively added as people believed in God. They were not added before we existed to make the choice (Arminian simple foreknowledge, Molinistic middle knowledge, and Calvinistic predestination are not the most biblical views; Open Theism is worth exploring as more biblical and coherent...another can of worms). Rev. warns about the names being blotted out. If one falls away/apostasizes, it is possible to have one's name removed. So, from the beginning, names were added over time; read carefully, it does not have to mean the book was filled at or before creation (this would negate free will and responsibility).