Is marriage without a public witness.

[JCISGD]

What do others here think ?

I believe we can not prove this through the account of Adam and Eve as only God was there.

But is it as some claim (my parents included), marriage by their vows to each other wether public or not ?

[Guest]

Yeap!

Ever Wonder What This Means?

"Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Matthew 19:6

[JCISGD]

Yeap!

Ever Wonder What This Means?

"Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Matthew 19:6

Yes exactly, but aside from Adam and Eve of whom their could not be a public witness and God had not yet put them out of the Eden.

Is it ok for two people to claim marriage without a public witness?

I already know your thoughts FoC, on the divorce thread. thats why i started this one lol.

[Blien]

I know that verse, yet everything within me says "no".

[Guest LadyC]

why would anyone object to a public witness that makes a marriage valid according to the government (scripture also says to be subject to our government ya know) and that also entitles the married couple to benefits that they're not otherwise entitled to? is it for the "ease" of separation later?

[JCISGD]

just to be clear i do not support marriage with no legal grounds/public witness.

I started this thread because i came accross some one here who to my understanding, stated that marriage took place when the two vowed to their commitment, reguardless of a public cerimony.

But because i dont know how to post quotes youll have to scroll the divorce thread to be sure of his actually meaning and words.

Perhaps he would oblige us by posting it here if possible.

[Guest LadyC]

i didn't make an argument, i asked questions. and you responded with some valid points, particularly the first one about when our government starts allowing gay marriage, it's time to start re-evaluating.

and marriage isn't required by law, it offers protections and benefits... i thought i was clear on that part. you don't get those benefits without marriage, which is why you chose to make your marriage legal in the eyes of the state.

marriage won't stop a person from cheating, you're right. but not being married certainly makes the separation easier and less costly, because suddenly the cheater no longer sees the vows they made as binding or relevant.

[Guest LadyC]

it's ok, a part of me may have meant it as rhetorical, but i honestly am not sure what my motivation was. i didn't give much thought to it as i was posting. i do think you gave very thought provoking responses!

[Smalcald]

What do others here think ?

I believe we can not prove this through the account of Adam and Eve as only God was there.

But is it as some claim (my parents included), marriage by their vows to each other wether public or not ?

How was marriage conducted in the time of Christ when Christ gave us His commands concerning marriage? Was it done by two people alone simply saying hey, were now married? I don't think so. The Jewish marriage ceremony was public and legal.

Marriage requires a spiritual binding of families, legal assets and lives. Does this scripturally need a witness? I don't necessarily think so, however because a legal binding in this country does require a witness then that would mean that scripturally we are required to do so. If we lived in some other culture where you could be legally bound to another by simply submitting a form without a witness that would be fine. The key is a legal binding.

Usually when I here this talk it simply means someone wants to hoke up an excuse for shaking up, which is fornication and unrepentant open sin. I mean as a guy I can certainly attest the very base and common urge in making a vow of lifetime love in the heat of the moment, with other things on my mind.

If it

[JCISGD]

So FoC how do we know fornication from these marriages?

I can see where it becomes common law as with my parents together for 30 years untill mum left, but what say one of them calls it quits in 18 mths or even just a few weeks ?

Where does this leave the rejected party ?

These are genuine questions not objections as such.