Catholics reject evangelization of Jews

[munari]

John,

I want to apologize for saying that you are twisting what the Catholic Church is teaching, I don't think you are really doing that. In order to twist it, you would have to understand it first, and I don't think you understand what the Church teaches that well. And, I think I can fairly say that since I didn't really understand too well myself until about 2 years ago after I'd been raised in the Church for 24 years. I am hoping I can teach you some of the things that the Church actually teaches.

[wordsower]

Oh, forgot to put the scripture It's Romans 1:18-20.  the whole chapter explains my thoughts more clearly.

[munari]

Word,

You have a point, but there are also Christians who live in those same conditions. And look in our own country, there are destitute people here who are also Christians living in poor conditions. Plus, you also have to realize that there are VERY rich people in those countries who are not Christian who are putting their own people down, ala Bin Laden...

[wordsower]

I do not believe that there are true christians dying of starvation unless it is by persecution of non-christians.  God promises to supply all our needs according to His riches and glory and I have never heard of or known of any christian who did not have their needs met.  I know I'm blessed! :inlove:

[munari]

Even if they are dying at the hands of another, they are still suffering.

[RCruise]

I think the fact that His wrath is revealed in those that reject Him is evident in the fact that they all live in destitution, in the desert, starving to death in a forsaken land while we got the land of milk and honey cuz we stand for God!!

[wordsower]

You misunderstood me, which is easy to do on the internet, my meaning was not to preach propsperity.  I know there are many christians that aren't rich and it's not because they aren't holy enough.  Genesis says those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse her will be cursed.  I see that as being the case with nations, not individuals.  Note, the countries that hate Israel are always at war.  Se Genesis 16 esp. 11&12.

Hope that explains what I meant a little more.

[Guest astralis]

Wordsower,

 So, the modern state of Israel is the same Israel?  I see it as His Church - not the nation of Israel as we know it today.

[wordsower]

Of course the modern state of Israel is the same Israel. (though it may not have all of it's land) We are NOT Israel.  The 'church' is the body of believers, Israel doesn't believe that Jesus already came-yet.  They are still the chosen ones.  Read the story of Rebekkah and Leah and you'll see a parallel of us and Israel. We're just grafted in and we better be glad we are!   I was raised in a cult that taught they were 'spiritual Israel'  the only thing they have in common with Israel is the veil not being lifted!

[Guest astralis]

Wordsower,

 I disagree.  Of course    .

 The Covenant with the Jews in the Old Testament is no longer in effect.

 Paul makes it clear in the Epistle to the Romans that Jews are to be converted, for Christ is the end (telos) of the law!

The "People of God" is now the Church, and the unbelieving Jews are like branches that have been broken off of the cultivated olive tree. Believing Gentiles have been grafted in their place. Paul makes this expressly clear in Romans 11.