Mary's appearence at fatima

[One Way]

the people who go to see her are decieved by satan. the only church i know of that displays her prominantly is the catholic church. most christians regard her simply as the bible intended... as the mother of Jesus, a woman who also needed a savior, and who is now dead.

I agree, LadyC. The RCC's doctrine of "Mariology" is unbiblical and, to say it bluntly, blasphemous.

But, I don't think Mary was "just some other woman." She was special:

Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

God highly favoured her for some reason. I'm sure she was a godly woman. But, that doesn't mean she should be deified.

[Guest LCPGUY]

Well, one good f'rinstance is how the Ark of the Covenant is symbolic of Mary. The typology is really quite profound.

Earth to Leonard, Mary? Ark of the Covenant? Symbolic of each other?

Duh... :D

You got a whole lot of good old fashioned splainin

[Guest LadyC]

yes, mary was special, and was chosen specifically by God because of it. but she's dead now, and would not defy God by communicating with the living today, because communication between the living and dead is strictly prohibited!

wow one way, we're starting to agree an awful lot.... this is getting scary! :oww:

[One Way]

...but she's dead now, and would not defy God by communicating with the living today.

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Okay, either your saying Mary didn't believe in Jesus and is thus not saved, or you are calling Jesus a liar. Which is it?

Just kidding, hehe

Couldn't resist.... I know what you meant.

Blessings...

[Guest LadyC]

...but she's dead now, and would not defy God by communicating with the living today.

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Okay, either your saying Mary didn't believe in Jesus and is thus not saved, or you are calling Jesus a liar. Which is it?

Just kidding, hehe

Couldn't resist.... I know what you meant.

Blessings...

but just in case anyone else is confused, NEITHER!!! i meant dead and living in the flesh! :oww:

[stevehut]

I just took another look at the original question...(gee, a novel thought, huh?)

Why would Mary appear to a Shiite? I have a better question:

If God wants people to become Christians and be saved, then why send Mary at all? How 'bout sending Jesus?

[One Way]

I just took another look at the original question...(gee, a novel thought, huh?) 

Steve, you're spoiling our fun!

[ServingHim]

Personally I don

[ServingHim]

the Ark of the Covenant is symbolic of Mary.  The typology is really quite profound.

Huh?

Mary - the Immaculate Ark of the New Covenant

Exodus 25:11-21 - the ark of the Old Covenant was made of the purest gold for God's Word. Mary is the ark of the New Covenant and is the purest vessel for the Word of God made flesh.

2 Sam. 6:7 - the Ark is so holy and pure that when Uzzah touched it, the Lord slew him. This shows us that the Ark is undefiled. Mary the Ark of the New Covenant is even more immaculate and undefiled, spared by God from original sin so that she could bear His eternal Word in her womb.

1 Chron. 13:9-10 - this is another account of Uzzah and the Ark. For God to dwell within Mary the Ark, Mary had to be conceived without sin. For anyone to argue otherwise would be to say that God would let the finger of Satan touch His Son made flesh. This is incomprehensible.

1 Chron. 15 and 16 - these verses show the awesome reverence the Jews had for the Ark - veneration, vestments, songs, harps, lyres, cymbals, trumpets.

Luke 1:39 / 2 Sam. 6:2 - Luke's conspicuous comparison's between Mary and the Ark described by Samuel underscores the reality of Mary as the undefiled and immaculate Ark of the New Covenant. In these verses, Mary (the Ark) arose and went / David arose and went to the Ark. There is a clear parallel between the Ark of the Old and the Ark of the New Covenant.

Luke 1:41 / 2 Sam. 6:16 - John the Baptist / King David leap for joy before Mary / Ark. So should we leap for joy before Mary the immaculate Ark of the Word made flesh.

Luke 1:43 / 2 Sam. 6:9 - How can the Mother / Ark of the Lord come to me? It is a holy privilege. Our Mother wants to come to us and lead us to Jesus. Hence, the 'possibility' of her Apparitions.

Luke 1:56 / 2 Sam. 6:11 and 1 Chron. 13:14 - Mary / the Ark remained in the house for about three months.

Rev 11:19 - at this point in history, the Ark of the Old Covenant was not seen for six centuries, and now it is finally seen in heaven. The Jewish people would have been absolutely amazed at this. However, John immediately passes over this fact and describes the "woman" clothed with the sun in Rev. 12:1. John is emphasizing that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant and who, like the Old ark, is now worthy of veneration and praise. Also remember that Rev. 11:19 and Rev. 12:1 are tied together because there was no chapter and verse at the time these texts were written.

Rev 12:1 - the "woman" that John is describing is Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. Just as the moon reflects the light of the sun, so Mary, with the moon under her feet, reflects the glory of the Sun of Justice, Jesus Christ.

Rev. 12:17 - this verse tells us that Mary's offspring are those who keep God's commandments and bear testimony to Jesus. This demonstrates that Mary is the Mother of all Christians.

Rev. 12:2 - Some say that, because the woman had birth pangs, she was a woman with sin. However, Revelation is apocalyptic literature unique to the 1st century. It contains varied symbolism and multiple meanings of the woman (Mary, the Church and Israel). The birth pangs describe both the birth of the Church and Mary's offspring being formed in Christ. Mary had no birth pangs in delivering her only Son Jesus.

Isaiah 66:7 - for example, we see Isaiah prophesying that before she (Mary) was in labor she gave birth; before her pain came upon her she was delivered of a son (Jesus). This is a Marian prophecy of the virgin birth of Jesus Christ.

Gal 4:19 - Paul also describes his pain as birth pangs in forming the disciples in Christ. Birth pangs describe formation in Christ.

Rom. 8:22 - also, Paul says the whole creation has been groaning in travail before the coming of Christ. We are all undergoing birth pangs because we are being reborn into Jesus Christ.

Jer. 13:21 - Jeremiah describes the birth pangs of Israel, like a woman in travail. Birth pangs are usually used metaphorically in the Scriptures.

Hos. 13:12-13 - Ephraim is also described as travailing in childbirth for his sins. Again, birth pangs are used metaphorically.

Micah 4:9-10 - Micah also describes Jerusalem as being seized by birth pangs like a woman in travail.

Rev. 12:13-16 - in these verses, we see that the devil still seeks to destroy the woman even after the Savior is born. This proves Mary is a danger to satan, even after the birth of Christ. This is because God has given her the power to intercede for us, and we should invoke her assistance in our spiritual lives.

[stevehut]

2 Sam. 6:7 - the Ark is so holy and pure that when Uzzah touched it, the Lord slew him. This shows us that the Ark is undefiled. Mary the Ark of the New Covenant is even more immaculate and undefiled

Well, the Bible does say that Mary and Joseph had other children after Jesus, apparently by the traditional means.

...So did God strike Joseph dead when he touched his wife?