WN: Lutherans to Vote on Sexually Active Gay Clergy - Washington Post

[~candice~]

Hey, I could use some company over here.

We don't even agree on whether it is a sin or not.

I won't hold that against you.

Seriously, you have to follow what your own conscience tells you. I would never try to change that. To not act in faith IS sin.

We have to follow what the WORD teaches us. Our own conscience is falliable. Where there is disagreement between the two, the Word wins!

Doesn't the bible talk about the seared conscious? People given over to a debased mind?

[PhoenixJLD]

Hey, I could use some company over here.

We don't even agree on whether it is a sin or not.

I won't hold that against you.

Seriously, you have to follow what your own conscience tells you. I would never try to change that. To not act in faith IS sin.

Exactly.

[~candice~]

A practical question to those in the ministry here at Worthy... what do you think about people who still have these temptations (but aren't acting on them, believe them to be sin, etc) contributing here at worthy? Do you consider this when you read their posts on other topics? Would you object to them giving advice in chat? Or would you accept their teaching if they made a post here on the boards?

[PhoenixJLD]

Hey, I could use some company over here.

We don't even agree on whether it is a sin or not.

I won't hold that against you.

Seriously, you have to follow what your own conscience tells you. I would never try to change that. To not act in faith IS sin.

We have to follow what the WORD teaches us. Our own conscience is falliable. Where there is disagreement between the two, the Word wins!

Doesn't the bible talk about the seared conscious? People given over to a debased mind?

Yes. But what I'm saying is that if a person feels in their heart something is wrong and they do it anyway then for them it is sin.

Rom 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

1 Corinthians 8:8-11 But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse. But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak. For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol

[~candice~]

Hey, I could use some company over here.

We don't even agree on whether it is a sin or not.

I won't hold that against you.

Seriously, you have to follow what your own conscience tells you. I would never try to change that. To not act in faith IS sin.

We have to follow what the WORD teaches us. Our own conscience is falliable. Where there is disagreement between the two, the Word wins!

Doesn't the bible talk about the seared conscious? People given over to a debased mind?

Yes. But what I'm saying is that if a person feels in their heart something is wrong and they do it anyway then for them it is sin.

Rom 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

That passage does not put the conscience above the Word.

This is going down the path that some pro gay advoctes use for Romans 1, that it is a sin not not act according to your true orientation. It is garbage.

[OneLight]

Do you deny he was used mightily by God?

No, he was not. The Holy Spirit will use Gods word to work in anyone's life, no matter where it comes from. Are you saying that a gay person, who was tripping on acid in a canyon, that claimed to hear from God, is a viable candidate to be a preacher?

by their fruits you shall know them.

The fruits are not what you are pointing to and calling it. God uses His words whenever He can through the Holy Spirit, bringing them back to memory for the conviction of sins, in the case of salvation. To claim that this one was called by God, while still living in sin, only shows how open and acceptable to sin you are.

Let me remind you what the fruit of the spirit is and is not.

Galatians 5:16-26

Walking in the Spirit

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ

[~candice~]

Galatians 5:16-26

Walking in the Spirit

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ

[OneLight]

Galatians 5:16-26

Walking in the Spirit

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ

[Scarletprayers]

Excellent OneLight, it is never about what we can do, it is always about what He will do!

[Guest man]

OK - being single I have to set guards up to control my natural desires. But to not feel sexual attraction at all is not God's design either.

Why not?

Is there something in the Word that states that everyone will have some sort of sexual attraction to someone else?

I said "at all" not "to someone". Big difference.

What would one be sexually attracted too, if not someone?

You say sexual attraction is a part of God's design.........do you know this for a fact? Is there something in the Word that states this?

The only way to have no "feelings" is to be devoid of the reproductive hormones. Anatomy 101.

Not true.

You assume that because you have these feelings, everyone else does too.