Can We Interchange The Word "God" With the Word Spirit?

[zotah]

I thinks I need to clarify my point better. I'm getting a lot of wrong ideas about what I've been trying to say and ask.

First of all, as I mentioned earlier. I'm not trying to change the word of God at all. In fact, I've even said that if I had a choice to rewrite the Bible I would leave every word and every dot exactly the same. I too believe that changing the Bible would be a terrible Sin.

So my whole point is not about changing the word of God. But my point is in defining God.

If you believe in the Trinity as I do. It is clear that Jesus is all God and all Man and all Spirit all at the same time.

Now I know that there are different interpretations about the Trinity between the Christian faith. but the bottom line is that if you truly believe in the Trinity in it's simplest form. Then you believe that Jesus, The Father and the Holy Spirit or all the same. (One God)

Just like if I were to call someone a Captain in the service. But yet he might also be called a Dad by his or her Kids and that same person might be called a (son) from his dad's perspective of looking at things.

If you don't believe that Jesus is God and God is Jesus. Then your not believing in the true definition of the Trinity.

So what am I exactly saying?

Since I believe that God is a Spirit based on these 2 verses in the Bible.

John 4:23 -24

23: But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Not only does the Bible clearly say that God is a Spirit but in verse 23 before that it says clearly that we will (if we are true worshippers) shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth.

This means if we trully believe in Trinity we are to understand exactly what this say's (God is a Spirit)

So either he his or he isn't.

Answers like: We'll we just can't understand because God is a Mystery.

What's the mystery?

(God is a Spirit)

Why is it so hard to understand?

So everytime you see the word (God) Who do you think of.

I think of (God is a Spirit)

If I thought of anything else I would have a different God then then the Trinity.

Over and over again it's been said I shouldn't change the word of God and I agree. However my question to everyone is not to change anything but to have the right mind set of understanding when it comes to knowing and understand and interpreting the word (God)

How can anyone that believes the Trinity say that it's incorrect to think of (God is a Spirit) whenever someone see's the word (God) in the Holy Bible. For this is the true Question I'm asking.

For if you do not believe in John 4:24 (God is a Spirit) and still believe the Trinity I'd like to know how you do believe? It is I who think that you are changing the Scriptures if you don't read the word (God) as a Spirit. You would be believing in a different God if you read the Word (God) and define him in any other way.

Remeber the verse I'm refering too, That started this whole Topic.

John 20:17

Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my bretheren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father: and to my God, and your God.

Like I said before I want to read it in my own mind set without changing the Bible itself as

John 20:17.....I ascend unto my Father, and your Father: and to my Spirit, and your God.

Reading it in my own understand that (God is a Spirit) from John 4:24

and the reason I don't change the second word (Your God) into the word Spirit is because it's refering to the God of Mary which is exactly like saying From Jesus perspective God is his Spirit and from Mary's perspective God is her God like for example from one perspective a person would be called a Captian and from a another perspective that same person could be call Son or Father. It all depends on who's talking and from what perspective their refering too.

Please understand I really would like to understand exactly were we differ in Trinity on this point and any Scripture that refer to this point would be great.

Please ask me questions as well if I havent made my point of understanding clear enough. So I can help clarify it better. and thank you for your patience with me as well.

With Love in Christ,

Zotah

[HAZARD]

"Please comment about this question only and not on the understanding of Trinity.

I understand Trinity so please don't try to define it for me. I'd appreciate that. However please comment on this thought of interchanging God with Spirit in this way.

Thanks,

Zotah

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God is a Spirit being, not just spirit alone.

Seeing, by your statement stating that you understand the the trinity and want no definition of it I will only say this much.

Why give us your version of what you believe the trinity is?

One reading of your posts shows that you do not fully understand the Godhead or who God, the Word now Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are?

You wrote,

"John 20:17.....I ascend unto my Father, and your Father: and to my Spirit, and your God."

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That is not what this Scripture states. It states this "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

The last few words of this Scripture are; And to my God and your God, not, "to my Spirit."

No wonder your confused. You cant read words into Scriptures that are not there even if you would like to for your own reasons.

Haz.

[zotah]

Thanks Haz for your reply.

I don't want to change the words of the Bible only clarify the meaning of the word (God)

Don't you believe Jesus is God and God is Jesus?

and what about in John 4:24 that says (God is a Spirit)

So Don't you believe that God is a Spirit and Spirit is God. "Holy Spirit of course"

and the Holy Spirit is the same as the Father.

Do you believe this and if not what do you believe?

Thanks hope to hear from you again,

Zotah

[~candice~]

Thanks Haz for your reply.

I don't want to change the words of the Bible only clarify the meaning of the word (God)

Don't you believe Jesus is God and God is Jesus?

and what about in John 4:24 that says (God is a Spirit)

So Don't you believe that God is a Spirit and Spirit is God. "Holy Spirit of course"

and the Holy Spirit is the same as the Father.

Do you believe this and if not what do you believe?

Thanks hope to hear from you again,

Zotah

Each of the "persons" of the trinity has a different form. Jesus is not spirit, the Holy Spirit does not have flesh. We cannot simplify it by saying that God the Father = Spirit = God = Jesus = the Holy Spirit.

[Rick-Parker]

Thanks Haz for your reply.

I don't want to change the words of the Bible only clarify the meaning of the word (God)

Don't you believe Jesus is God and God is Jesus?

and what about in John 4:24 that says (God is a Spirit)

So Don't you believe that God is a Spirit and Spirit is God. "Holy Spirit of course"

and the Holy Spirit is the same as the Father.

Do you believe this and if not what do you believe?

Thanks hope to hear from you again,

Zotah

If God had wanted it that way, He would have said so. Their names, as well as their rolls, are different and cannot be interchanged.

[tjhawks1]

Zotah you say you don't want to change any word in the bible but it seems that is what you are doing. If you base your whole argument out of three words in the bible, I would say your going down a wrong road. You seem to be ignoring a lot of scripture about Jesus being fully man, by saying the trinity is just a spirit.

[HAZARD]

Thanks Haz for your reply.

I don't want to change the words of the Bible only clarify the meaning of the word (God)

Don't you believe Jesus is God and God is Jesus?

and what about in John 4:24 that says (God is a Spirit)

So Don't you believe that God is a Spirit and Spirit is God. "Holy Spirit of course"

and the Holy Spirit is the same as the Father.

Do you believe this and if not what do you believe?

Thanks hope to hear from you again,

Zotah

I know you dont want to change the words in the Bible. I would love to comment but I cannot give you an acount of who God the Father, The Word who became flesh, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are according to "all" the Scriptures on this doctrin without going against what you said in your first post. Remember;

"Please comment about this question only and not on the understanding of Trinity.

I understand Trinity so please don't try to define it for me. I'd appreciate that. However please comment on this thought of interchanging God with Spirit in this way.

Thanks,

Zotah"

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Haz.

[zotah]

There is a differance between telling me what you believe about trinity and telling me the dictionary version of what everyone says trinity means.

If you can't tell me in short what you personally believe the Trinity means to you then your right I'd rather not know.

Zotah

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Each of the "persons" of the trinity has a different form. Jesus is not spirit, the Holy Spirit does not have flesh. We cannot simplify it by saying that God the Father = Spirit = God = Jesus = the Holy Spirit.

Jesus has a Spirit. When Jesus died on the cross the bible says that he gave up his Spirit. This Spirit is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ as Paul stated in the bible. God is not three different people but one person who has a spirit, soul and body just as he created man in his image and likeness. The spirit that dwelled in Christ is also the Father. Jesus said that his father dwells in him and he in the Father. Meaning he and the father are the same person. To say that God is three different persons/people is to say that there are 3 gods which is completely false and contradicts that bible. When we pray to Jesus you are praying to Holy Spirit and the Father as well and vise versa. All three make up one person just as my spirit, soul, and body make up one person. Yes, they are distinctly differant but never the less they co-exist to make up one whole person. This three person in one is false misconception. God does not have multiply personality disorder. God is one person not three persons.

[HAZARD]

There is a differance between telling me what you believe about trinity and telling me the dictionary version of what everyone says trinity means.

If you can't tell me in short what you personally believe the Trinity means to you then your right I'd rather not know.

Zotah

Dear 'zotah'

Thats kool, I dont have any pet theories, personal beliefs, or my very own personal beliefs or thoughts or ideas on any doctrin. All I can relate to you is what the Scriptures say; "It is written," or "thus sayeth the Lord," on any doctrin. If you would rather not know the truth thats your descision and I'm ok with that. You are a free moral agent and you as a free moral agent are entitled to make up your own mind as to what you think the Scriptures say and what you actually decide to or want to believe?

Regards,

Haz.