can salvation be lost?

[leoxiii]

I believe the pure gospel, not the false gospel that adds baptism to the work of Christ.

Here is the Gospel that I accept:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

[Guest shiloh357]

I believe the pure gospel, not the false gospel that adds baptism to the work of Christ.

Here is the Gospel that I accept:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

That verse is not saying that Baptism is necessary for savation. Again, you are preaching a false gospel.

[Guest shiloh357]

you and your church live off giving people guilt trips? "do you feel commandments are not worthy?" funny.

I have not intended to make you feel guilty at all. It would appear that you are under conviction.

I see you arrogantly snap at people on your responses and no one tells you "hey, Jesus said love thy neighbor. do you love your neighbor? Why are you breaking Jesus' heart?"

There is truth to that.

No, the problem is that I have more honesty in my responses than you are able to face up to.

What you FAIL to realize is that the books add on onto the bible as we go from Jesus' life, to His death then Paul. Don't forget that Paul's word has as much credability as Jesus'. Why is that? BECAUSE IT'S ALL THE WORD OF GOD. So when Jesus said "John 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?" That is truth. There was not much detail of the Holy Spirit by Jesus (in the physical). The details came later through the rest of the writings after His death. This is all in portions so you can digest it and understand. So when you yap "Jesus said to do it and youre guilty if you don't....." then you are stuck on earthly things and not understand the heavenly things that is unraveled as you move towards books closer to the end of YOUR bible.

None of that explains why Jesus' commandment to be baptized is okay to be ignored.

You want to establish an identity with Christ then walk the walk. 1 Corinthians 11: 1 Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

I gotta admit that I never liked religious folks that use guilt to control their agenda.

I am not using guilt and have no intention of controling anyone. Your problem is that you don't know what you're talking about and don't like anyone with the temerity to tell you you're wrong.

[leoxiii]

I believe the pure gospel, not the false gospel that adds baptism to the work of Christ.

Here is the Gospel that I accept:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

That verse is not saying that Baptism is necessary for savation. Again, you are preaching a false gospel.

Why did Jesus mention Baptism in that verse?

[Guest shiloh357]

I believe the pure gospel, not the false gospel that adds baptism to the work of Christ.

Here is the Gospel that I accept:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

That verse is not saying that Baptism is necessary for savation. Again, you are preaching a false gospel.

Why did Jesus mention Baptism in that verse?

Because it is commandment for Christians to obey, not for sinners to obey to become Christians.

[leoxiii]

I believe the pure gospel, not the false gospel that adds baptism to the work of Christ.

Here is the Gospel that I accept:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

That verse is not saying that Baptism is necessary for savation. Again, you are preaching a false gospel.

Why did Jesus mention Baptism in that verse?

Because it is commandment for Christians to obey, not for sinners to obey to become Christians.

So, what does He mean by "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"?

[Guest shiloh357]

I believe the pure gospel, not the false gospel that adds baptism to the work of Christ.

Here is the Gospel that I accept:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

That verse is not saying that Baptism is necessary for savation. Again, you are preaching a false gospel.

Why did Jesus mention Baptism in that verse?

Because it is commandment for Christians to obey, not for sinners to obey to become Christians.

So, what does He mean by "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"?

Baptsim here is not being set as a condition for salvation. All it says that those who believe and are baptized will be saved. You could put anything after "those who believe" and it would be a true statement.

If Jesus were making baptism a condition for salvation, His statements would have included something like "He who believes but is not baptized shall not be saved." No such conditional statement exists in the Bible.

There are plenty of references to salvation and few if any of them even mention baptism and none of them make baptism a condition for salvation.

"Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer

[Guest shiloh357]

Baptsim here is not being set as a condition for salvation. All it says that those who believe and are baptized will be saved. You could put anything after "those who believe" and it would be a true statement.

If Jesus were making baptism a condition for salvation, His statements would have included something like "He who believes but is not baptized shall not be saved." No such conditional statement exists in the Bible.

"Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer

[Guest shiloh357]

Are you saying that my obedience to God's command to be baptism in water - the rite that put me "into Christ Jesus" - will also condemn me?

No. But it didn't put into you Christ.

Do I teach a false gospel when I declare the full council of God - am I damned because I teach what Jesus commanded?

No, but you are teaching a false gospel when you make baptism necessary for salvation. I will let God decide what to do with people who add to the gospel.

Did not Jesus say those who believe and are baptized will be saved? Did Peter not tell those believers on Pentecost to repent and be baptized "for the remission of sins"? Where am I going wrong?

You are misunderstanding them to mean that baptism is a necessary condition for salvation.

The fact that you have to base this "doctrine" on various proof texts only highlights the weakness of your position.

[Guest shiloh357]

Are you saying that my obedience to God's command to be baptism in water - the rite that put me "into Christ Jesus" - will also condemn me?

No. But it didn't put into you Christ.

Of course baptism put me into Christ