The Doctrines For My Church

[One Way]

Should a Christian organization be soliciting donations from the unregenerate people of the world?

Pro 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.

Also, I wouldn't make the SA my primary fellowship if they neglect the communion and baptism. That is odd, indeed.

[One Way]

We believe that our first parents were created in a state of innocency, but by their disobedience, they lost their purity and happiness, and that in consequence of their fall, all men have become sinners, totally depraved, and as such are justly exposed to the wrath of God.

I'm going to say I don't agree with "totally depraved".

Depraved

DEPRAVED, pp.

1. Made bad or worse; vitiated; tainted; corrupted.

2. A. Corrupt; wicked; destitute of holiness or good principles.

People are depraved to be sure, lost sinners without hope, but depravity is one of degrees and not totallity. I have to have some capacity for good, that is not Good as God is good (Isa 64:6), but good in that it is not totally bad. (Mar 10:21)

Even the worst of men have to have some propensity leaning towards goodness that keeps him from being totally depraved in order to know that he is depraved.

I just turned blue.

Paul agreed with "totally depraved."

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:

Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

That's "totally depraved" if you ask me.

[whatsitmean]

OK. If the definition of total depravity is as you say then wouldn

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Paul agreed with "totally depraved."

Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Rom 3:11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Rom 3:12  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Rom 3:13  Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

Rom 3:14  Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

Rom 3:15  Their feet are swift to shed blood:

Rom 3:16  Destruction and misery are in their ways:

Rom 3:17  And the way of peace have they not known:

Rom 3:18  There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Rom 7:18  For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

That's "totally depraved" if you ask me.

Completely taken out of context...Paul is not saying that a man that is re-born can not live sin free. What Paul is saying is that we all have sinned thats why we need to be re-born of the Spirit so that we can live a sin free life.

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[stevehut]

What Paul is saying is that we all have sinned thats why we need to be re-born of the Spirit so that we can live a sin free life.

Have you attained this sin-free status? Does this mean that you're continually forgiven by the grace of God, or does it mean that you are so righteous that you don't sin in the first place?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

What Paul is saying is that we all have sinned thats why we need to be re-born of the Spirit so that we can live a sin free life.

Have you attained this sin-free status? Does this mean that you're continually forgiven by the grace of God, or does it mean that you are so righteous that you don't sin in the first place?

No I have not attained a sin-free status but I can say I am sinless and believe its possible to become sin-free if we live by the Spirit.

But there is a war going on and the Flesh wants to sin and my spirit wants me to live Sin free. The problem is crucifing my flesh so that may live by the Spirit instead of my fleshly desires..

[Guest LCPGUY]

What Paul is saying is that we all have sinned thats why we need to be re-born of the Spirit so that we can live a sin free life.

Have you attained this sin-free status? Does this mean that you're continually forgiven by the grace of God, or does it mean that you are so righteous that you don't sin in the first place?

Hey Bro Steve, how come your message text is so small? It

[stevehut]

Hey Bro Steve, how come your message text is so small? It

[stevehut]

Another duplicate post...grrr.... :pirate:

[stevehut]

we need to be re-born of the Spirit so that we can live a sin free life.

This is what I was asking about... Sounds like you believe it's possible, or perhaps you've progressed to that level.

The reason why I ask, is because this was the doctrine of the Holiness movement of the 1800's. They truly believed that total sinlessness was possible.