To the darwinists

[Guest]

.... If you read the OT with no knowledge of modern science you will come away thinking the earth is stationary ....

Sad

They set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh through the earth.

Psalms 73:9 (KJV)

But True

All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Ecclesiastes 3:20-21

Men Are Blind

He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

Ecclesiastes 3:11

And Smart Or Not Jesus Still Saves

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8

And Without The Holy Spirit And The Holy Bible

Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Proverbs 1:23

I Am Convinced We Are Not Spiritually Smarter Than The Average Ass

But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

Exodus 34:20

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.... the ONLY reason we know the earth revolves around the sun is because of science which has become so overwhelming that Christians were forced to re-evaluate their interpretations of scripture ....

The ONLY Way

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Revelation 4:11

We Know Anything

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 1:26-27

Is Because The LORD Created Us

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Colossians 1:16-17

And Because He Redeemed The World By His Blood

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1 Peter 1:18-19

And Although Many Try Their Worst To Blind The Children With False Words

And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

Mark 9:42

The LORD Jesus Christ Still Saves Whosoever Will

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

And The SON Will Judge

And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

John 5:27

All

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 5:28-29

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Believe

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 11:25-26

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

I Love You Jesus

[CSLewis]

But how did God form man from the dust of the earth? what was the process that He used?

[spiritman]

I thought sin entered the world and this death had to do with a spiritual death and not necessarily a physical death - though death is used as a metaphor for sin and corruption throughout the scriptures- we would still need Christs healing power because man is the only animal capable of sinning - and whether or not physical death predated Adam matters not- again you miss the point- it was a spiritual fall that took place in the garden one that would require a pure sacrifice for atonement - I guess I miss the connection how evolution spoils all of that

Genesis 3:19 reads:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. Here at the end of this verse we can see that the curse was physical death as well.

The reason why Evolution is not a good thing.; is that God said it went down one way, and the evolutionist says it went down another. One of these accounts is lying.

That is the trade mark of Satan he is always trying to discredit God and His word. here is an example:

Gen 3:1-6 (KJV)

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Here, one of the first things satan did, was get Eve to doubt God's word, here satan called God a liar; and you can see the path it led too. When one doubts part of God's word, The the rest of God's word begins to come into doubt, then it opens the door for everyone to his/her own interpretation, and sin.

[MorningGlory]

Once again the bible says nothing about mitochondria either- it is not a science book.

No, it's sure not; it's a history book. And it spells out quite clearly how we were created. Doesn't mention apes at all.

Common ancestor. And it gave rise to Homo genus not homo sapiens. We evolved from that genus.

No, we did not. Common ancestor indeed.

[MorningGlory]

But how did God form man from the dust of the earth? what was the process that He used?

Have you ever read Genesis? You should know this if you are a Christian.

[spiritman]

But how did God form man from the dust of the earth? what was the process that He used?

That I can't answer.

[spiritman]

I thought sin entered the world and this death had to do with a spiritual death and not necessarily a physical death - though death is used as a metaphor for sin and corruption throughout the scriptures- we would still need Christs healing power because man is the only animal capable of sinning - and whether or not physical death predated Adam matters not- again you miss the point- it was a spiritual fall that took place in the garden one that would require a pure sacrifice for atonement - I guess I miss the connection how evolution spoils all of that

Genesis 3:19 reads:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. Here at the end of this verse we can see that the curse was physical death as well.

The reason why Evolution is not a good thing.; is that God said it went down one way, and the evolutionist says it went down another. One of these accounts is lying.

That is the trade mark of Satan he is always trying to discredit God and His word. here is an example:

Gen 3:1-6 (KJV)

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Here, one of the first things satan did, was get Eve to doubt God's word, here satan called God a liar; and you can see the path it led too. When one doubts part of God's word, The the rest of God's word begins to come into doubt, then it opens the door for everyone to his/her own interpretation, and sin.

Aaaand this is why we're never going to get anywhere. You don't believe in evolution because you can't. Not because its "a lie" but because you've based your faith around the assumption that god created everything and left absolutely no room for evolution. There's such overwhelming evidence for it and without it, we would not be able to understand biology. The theory of evolution is fantastic because as long as a rabbit doesn't appear in the Cambrian, it stands. Its falsifiable so if you have evidence for your account, prove it and debunk evolution once and for all. If you don't, aren't you going against god's word? Aren't you letting satan win? You believe evolution is a lie and the door is open to debunk it (the beauty of theories). So do it.

First off I'd like to apologize to Lurker; for being slow on answering His link; but it's very long, currently I'm studying, Dendrochronology ( Tree rings), so please be patient with me. And, in between I've been chatting with CS Lewis. But Chris to answer your post; I'm open to all information that anyone gives me, and I will study it, and compare it, to Scripture, and creation science views. But be warned, some of the responses I come up with may test your faith in evolution.

[CSLewis]

I laughed because what do you think we are all doing? We disagree on the analysis of the biblical text- genesis was written in a time in which paganism threatened to destroy judaism and genesis 1 became an important poem or hymn if you will that taught the Jews there God reigned supreme - this is exegisis of the text it analyzes through the eyes of the people of the time. Now I do not know Hebrew so I must rely on other scholars for the text. But I certainly do not stand alone in this interpretation - I have learned this at church and in college- from much more astute teachers than I am and anyone else here that do know Hebrew - and I have seen first hand the illegitimate science employed by creationists- I went on a dig to glen rose with a group and seen them trying to fabricate a cast of a human footprint were it was very unclear what kind of footprint it was - and I found a clawpoint that had fallen out and the guide was trying to move it to another spot higher up to photograph it - everyone was searching for a trilobite as if that would dismantle the theory of evolution. So tied are these people to there interpretation of genesis 1 that they will do anything to further there own gospel - excommunicating those who believe differently - in spite of a hundred and fifty years of evidence, biochemistry, biology, physics, geology and paleontology that confirms and reaffirms Darwins theory some Christians refuse to give merit to evolution as a scientific theory and instead of putting faith in Christ they put faith in there own understanding and interpretation of a text that is part of a library full of symbolism, hyperbole, metaphor, poetry.

[MorningGlory]

More to come.

I've read all of this before; it's freshman science class revisited. Yes, it makes a nice, neat explanation for who and what we are. But it's a lie, C.C., because it directly contradicts the Bible. Sure there were homanid species before us; I don't argue that point but, in millions and millions of years, they never progressed to anything other than apes that could walk on their hind legs and use stones as tools. There have been multitudes of species that have come and gone over untold millenia, all created by God and taken away by Him. But we're the only beings with souls, the only ones to build civilizations, the only ones to develop spoken and written language, the only ones to worship a Supreme Being. I believe the world, as we know it, began just as Genesis portrays. Man progressed from cave dweller (I believe the oldest signs of our species are cave paintings dating to about 7000 B.C.) to an advanced civilization in Egypt in only a few thousand years and to exploring outer space in a few thousand more. Ever ask yourself why? Have you so little curiosity?

[MorningGlory]

More to come.

I've read all of this before; it's freshman science class revisited. Yes, it makes a nice, neat explanation for who and what we are. But it's a lie, C.C., because it directly contradicts the Bible. Sure there were homanid species before us; I don't argue that point but, in millions and millions of years, they never progressed to anything other than apes that could walk on their hind legs and use stones as tools. There have been multitudes of species that have come and gone over untold millenia, all created by God and taken away by Him. But we're the only beings with souls, the only ones to build civilizations, the only ones to develop spoken and written language, the only ones to worship a Supreme Being. Man progressed from cave dweller (I believe the oldest signs of our species are cave paintings dating to about 7000 B.C.) to an advanced civilization in Egypt in only a few thousand years and to exploring outer space in a few thousand more. Ever ask yourself why? Have you so little curiosity?

Like I said to the others, since you believe its a lie and you're not doing anything about it, you're doing satan's work by staying silent. Speak up. Debunk evolution. If you're so sure, get your evidence together and bring down the lie. Why. Don't. You. Do. It? Scared? Know its not going to work? Practice what you preach.

Apes have social constructs. They communicate with each other. Just because YOU don't understand their language doesn't mean they don't have one.

Some of us worship a supreme being because we're the only ones afraid of death and of the dark. So we make up fairy tales to make us feel better. Because we can. Doesn't mean they're true. Its funny you mention our progression. Evolution maybe? Ever wonder how we got smarter? Natural selection for intelligence maybe? I ask questions all the time, but only science and logic has given me real answers (and the best part is that they're falsifiable. Just waiting for rebels like you to prove them wrong. So get on it). Besides, the history of religion has discouraged asking questions. That's why its taken us so long to get to where we are.

P.S. Where's your "evidence" for why god created our measly tailbones?

Don't even attempt to tell me I'm doing satan's work, C.C.; I serve the one true God and none other. Take your offensive little diatribe and try it with someone else because I will NOT stand for it. I speak out against evolution lies every single day of my life, pretty much, and I pray that blind, delusional people like you can somehow find their way to the Truth. You are truly pitiable and you serve your own master, even if you're not aware of who that is. But you don't have to have to go to hell..... unless you just can't fathom that you are a created being, not a glorified chimpanzee.