To the darwinists

[CSLewis]

It would be so easy to debunk evolution - excavate coprolite of a dinosaur and find a human bone or a mammal bone or even a seed would certainly blow holes in the theory but

guess what none has never been found.

[MorningGlory]

It would be so easy to debunk evolution - excavate coprolite of a dinosaur and find a human bone or a mammal bone or even a seed would certainly blow holes in the theory but

guess what none has never been found.

Are you a believer, C.S.?

[Guest shiloh357]

There is a difference. Geocentricism was not a religious belief. It was also a secular view as well. The problem is that you are trying to compare disimilar things.

They are not different at all, gencentrism was long-defended using the bible and Christian philosophy as a defence. I you read the OT with no knowledge of modern science you will come away thinking the earth is stationary, the ONLY reason we know the earth revolves around the sun is because of science which has become so overwhelming that Christians were forced to re-evaluate their interpretations of scripture.

Again, Geocentricism was not purely religious belief. It was secular belief. My point is geocentrism was not a church doctrine. Geocentrism was not a theological concept. Yes, there were Chrisitans who believed it, but then so did everyone. Geocentrism did not originate from the Church, So, you cannot parade this around as a triumph of science over the Church. Science changed how HUMANITY viewed the relationship of the sun and earth.

You're right. But the Church supported geocentrism because it was supported by scripture. Those who tried to put across the idea of heliocentrism were met with threats and general problems from the Church. Remember, Galileo was threatened with excommunication unless he recanted his theory.

That was at a time when the Church was a political entity. Going against the church was to go against the government entity at that time. It was not simply "religious" persecution. There was no separation of church and state. The church was the state. Part of the problem is that we don't have a point of reference for that in our modern experience in Christianity. We live in a different age where the church does wield the secular power it did in those days.

For that reason, you cannot compare Christian opposition to evolution with the conditions that existd in Galileo's day. Galileo was opposing the government of his day. I would also point out that most of the church leaders of Galileo's day were not genuine Christians either. Bibshops and Arch Bishops and others were secular, political offices held by nonChristians.

Being a "Christian" in those days was more political than anything else. It simply denoted the form of government you were born into. As far as persecution goes, the "Church" persecuted real Christians who did not go along with Church/government policies. So really cannot claim that Galileo was persecuted by Christians for being heliocentric. He was persecuted by a government for opposing its dictates.

[CSLewis]

It would be so easy to debunk evolution - excavate coprolite of a dinosaur and find a human bone or a mammal bone or even a seed would certainly blow holes in the theory but

guess what none has never been found.

Are you a believer, C.S.?

I believe Jesus Christ died was buried and rose again in accordance with the scriptures and that he died to attone my sins upon the cross- that He created the world

[CSLewis]

Which arch bishops and bishops were not Christian?

[CSLewis]

It would be so easy to debunk evolution - excavate coprolite of a dinosaur and find a human bone or a mammal bone or even a seed would certainly blow holes in the theory but

guess what none has never been found.

The question that begs - why can't you support Darwinism with science? Show me via the fossil record where an ape 'evolved' into a man. Did you not say the evidence was overwhelming for such a miracle of naturalism?

Pick up a textbook or just use google search scholarly sites and you will find listings of fossils found -

[MorningGlory]

It would be so easy to debunk evolution - excavate coprolite of a dinosaur and find a human bone or a mammal bone or even a seed would certainly blow holes in the theory but

guess what none has never been found.

Are you a believer, C.S.?

I believe Jesus Christ died was buried and rose again in accordance with the scriptures and that he died to attone my sins upon the cross- that He created the world

I'm happy to hear it.

[CSLewis]

I don't think it is arrogance to believe in God and that He has a special plan for mankind. Evolution doesn't prove that God is not perfect - would not having a tail bone make us more perfect? You like many atheist evolution believers make the incredibly false claim that because evolution is true there is no God. And I am assuming based on your last comment you ate indeed an atheist or agnostic. And I believe that you are missing out on something very beautiful and amazing - the journey through life and the mysteries of faith.

[Guest]

.... But how did God form man from the dust of the earth? what was the process that He used? ....

Is God Now A Process

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:7

That His Spirit Is Mocked

Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Isaiah 29:15-16

And His Holy Words Are Scorned

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:27-28

For Philosophies Of Dying Men

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Colossians 2:8

And Vain Cartoons Of Deceit

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

1 Timothy 6:20-21

The Lifeless Fruits Of Evil

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Hebrews 3:12

And Wicked Rulers

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 6:12

Exulted Over The Creator

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Revelation 4:11

The Savior Of All Who Humble Themselves

God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

Who Place Their Trust And Hope In Jesus Christ And Him Crucified

But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.

Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

James 4:6-10

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Believe

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

John 6:47

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

I Love You Jesus

[MorningGlory]

So typical. You preach that evolution is a lie and all the "evidence" against knowing full well that its a falsifiable theory and yet you say and do nothing. Write letters to the scientific community, protest, talk to your government, do something. Evolution is wide open for someone to debunk it and if you're so smart (I mean, you have to be right? You know the truth!) then why aren't you doing more? Why doesn't this entire board protest? You guys claim to have all the answers so get rid of evolution once and for all. If you believe and know evolution is a lie and you know that its a falsifiable theory and you don't debunk it, you're not trying hard enough.

I'm not arrogant enough to think some almighty being has some special plan for me (or the human race for that matter). You're basically saying our designer was a tinkerer, an experimenter, someone who couldn't get it right. Look at all of our physical faults. What's the point? Because some woman (obviously has to be a woman) ate an apple from a tree and now we're not perfect? Doesn't that mean he had to physically change us? And if we were created this way from the get go, why? Why give us a stamp (tailbones) from our (true) origins? Why not make the clavicle stronger so people don't break it all the time? Why not make the shoulder joint as strong as the hip joint so we don't dislocate it? Why not make our eyes perfect?

You're so far out of reality you're going to need a taxi to get back, C.C. I talk against evolution all the time; both here and in the real world. What the heck are you talking about? This is America...you can't get evolution theory overturned. As for proving it's a false concept...that's coming, it's not my job to do. I did NOT say our Creator was a tinkerer or couldn't 'get it right'. Those are your words, the ones that come from your god. If you're so convinced you're right, that you're a product of sheer random chance, then why do you continue to argue the point? It's the classic atheist argument, btw, to question why people are the way they are. Talk about arrogance.