Evolution is fatalism based on

[Fez]

Firstly, the P word. Predestination.

Some would have it that predestination is a religious form of fatalism and think that this is the Christians Achilles heel in the evolution argument. The fatalism shown by some unbelievers suggest that our affairs are controlled by the impersonal forces of chance, and that our destinies are controlled by the chance collision of atoms.

Predestination however, is rooted in the character of a personal and righteous God, who is the sovereign Lord of history. That my destiny would be in the hands of an indifferent or hostile force such as the chance collision of atoms is inconceivable, and as a Christian, terrifying. That it is in the hands of a righteous and loving God, is however another matter.

Atoms have no righteousness in them, they are at best amoral, and I prefer my destiny to be with a Holy and righteous God!

And here we have the crux of the evolutionist

[Hunterpoet]

Is there any chance at all that you know are know of Angus Buchan.

[CSLewis]

Is there any chance at all that you know are know of Angus Buchan.

"To say something happened by chance is to say that it was a coincidence, which is simply a confession that we cannot perceive all the forces and powers that work in an event. And so it is with the complex affairs of life that are beyond our exact ability to fathom. So we invent the word chance to explain them, it is a word we use as shorthand for our ignorance."

I totally agree with this statement though I disagree with Sproul on soterology - he is dead on here - because God is omniscient he knew exactly what changes and adaptations and what the final product would be even before the "big bang" when God spoke matter into existence. Science does not conflict with the Word of God.

[Fez]

Is there any chance at all that you know are know of Angus Buchan.

Not sure why you ask Poet, but yes I know Angus and he has preached in our church on numerous occasions. His ministry, Shalom, on his farm in Greytown is not too far from us and our churches have a strong common bond. Only this Friday and Saturday our worship leader was assisting with music lessons at Shalom. Angus runs the Mighty Men conference which started with 600 men and has grown in the last 6 years or so to a two day conference of 200,000 men, which is an incredible experience.

[Hunterpoet]

Is there any chance at all that you know are know of Angus Buchan.

Not sure why you ask Poet, but yes I know Angus and he has preached in our church on numerous occasions. His ministry, Shalom, on his farm in Greytown is not too far from us and our churches have a strong common bond. Only this Friday and Saturday our worship leader was assisting with music lessons at Shalom. Angus runs the Mighty Men conference which started with 600 men and has grown in the last 6 years or so to a two day conference of 200,000 men, which is an incredible experience.

Well Fez, I'll tell ya. Two nights ago I saw the movie " Faith like Potatoes ". I guess what really got me was the fact that this was a story about real people, who are still with us.

If you ever have the opportunity, give him a thank you from me for letting those folks do a movie about him.

If even half of what was in the movie was true, your a lucky man to know him.

Hunter

[Fez]

Is there any chance at all that you know are know of Angus Buchan.

Not sure why you ask Poet, but yes I know Angus and he has preached in our church on numerous occasions. His ministry, Shalom, on his farm in Greytown is not too far from us and our churches have a strong common bond. Only this Friday and Saturday our worship leader was assisting with music lessons at Shalom. Angus runs the Mighty Men conference which started with 600 men and has grown in the last 6 years or so to a two day conference of 200,000 men, which is an incredible experience.

Well Fez, I'll tell ya. Two nights ago I saw the movie " Faith like Potatoes ". I guess what really got me was the fact that this was a story about real people, who are still with us.

If you ever have the opportunity, give him a thank you from me for letting those folks do a movie about him.

If even half of what was in the movie was true, your a lucky man to know him.

Hunter

He is an amazing man, who preaches like it is. Sometimes the truth he preaches hurts (the truth has a way of doing that!). All of it is true Poet. He has now booked every rugby stadium in the country to preach. He does not charge entrance fees at all. The mighty men conference on his farm once a year means he cannot plant crops. The surrounding farms are also used, it is like a huge miltary operation. The cost for the two days in about $13 per person, and that is to compensate surrounding farmers who cannot plant due to the amount of tents 200,000 men pitch. This includes all the food and drink which Shalom supplies. To give you an idea, one of the biggest fresh juice suppliers in the country, whose CEO was saved at one of the conferences, supplied 500,000 fruit juices free for the last conference (plus the cooling trucks to keep them cold).

Showers are a long row that 200,000 men march through from one side to the other in a continous line. (cold I can tell you!)

At the last mighty men Angus collapsed on the stage from a suspected heart attack. He was flown out by helicopter to hospital in the morning. 200,000 men started praying for him, and that afternoon he was back preaching, the doctors could find nothing wrong with him, and gave him a clean bill of health.

Funny thing, when I have seen him heal someone (not often), he is more of a preacher than a healer, he does not pray for healing as such. He rebukes satan, and commands healing in the name of Jesus. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. He is a simple man, a farmer, a man of the land. But he is so on fire, just being around him encourages one! I will see him again in November at a mens breakfast if things work out. And I will tell him about you seeing the movie and you comments.

Blessings

Blessings

[ellarose]

Thanks for that Fez!

I like RC Sproul, am reading a book of his at the moment - "the invisible hand" I think it is.. Very good!

[Hunterpoet]

Is there any chance at all that you know are know of Angus Buchan.

Not sure why you ask Poet, but yes I know Angus and he has preached in our church on numerous occasions. His ministry, Shalom, on his farm in Greytown is not too far from us and our churches have a strong common bond. Only this Friday and Saturday our worship leader was assisting with music lessons at Shalom. Angus runs the Mighty Men conference which started with 600 men and has grown in the last 6 years or so to a two day conference of 200,000 men, which is an incredible experience.

Well Fez, I'll tell ya. Two nights ago I saw the movie " Faith like Potatoes ". I guess what really got me was the fact that this was a story about real people, who are still with us.

If you ever have the opportunity, give him a thank you from me for letting those folks do a movie about him.

If even half of what was in the movie was true, your a lucky man to know him.

Hunter

He is an amazing man, who preaches like it is. Sometimes the truth he preaches hurts (the truth has a way of doing that!). All of it is true Poet. He has now booked every rugby stadium in the country to preach. He does not charge entrance fees at all. The mighty men conference on his farm once a year means he cannot plant crops. The surrounding farms are also used, it is like a huge miltary operation. The cost for the two days in about $13 per person, and that is to compensate surrounding farmers who cannot plant due to the amount of tents 200,000 men pitch. This includes all the food and drink which Shalom supplies. To give you an idea, one of the biggest fresh juice suppliers in the country, whose CEO was saved at one of the conferences, supplied 500,000 fruit juices free for the last conference (plus the cooling trucks to keep them cold).

Showers are a long row that 200,000 men march through from one side to the other in a continous line. (cold I can tell you!)

At the last mighty men Angus collapsed on the stage from a suspected heart attack. He was flown out by helicopter to hospital in the morning. 200,000 men started praying for him, and that afternoon he was back preaching, the doctors could find nothing wrong with him, and gave him a clean bill of health.

Funny thing, when I have seen him heal someone (not often), he is more of a preacher than a healer, he does not pray for healing as such. He rebukes satan, and commands healing in the name of Jesus. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. He is a simple man, a farmer, a man of the land. But he is so on fire, just being around him encourages one! I will see him again in November at a mens breakfast if things work out. And I will tell him about you seeing the movie and you comments.

Blessings

Blessings

A Mighty Men's conference 200,000 strong....I cannot imagine what that would be like, but I'd sure like to experience it.

[Fez]

Poet, wanna see 200,000 men worshiping at once?

Have a look at the pictures here Mighty men

It's awesome stuff. Just imagine if only 10% go away changed!

Blessings

[Hunterpoet]

Poet, wanna see 200,000 men worshiping at once?

Have a look at the pictures here Mighty men

It's awesome stuff. Just imagine if only 10% go away changed!

Blessings

Awesome, cannot imagine anyone attending something like that and not being changed. Thanks for that link.